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[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman 24 insightful - 3 fun24 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

They really believe lesbians and bi women aren't women.

[–]reluctant_commenter 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, some of them think we have "men's souls" inside of us or something... many people in the trans rights movements seem to have very clear expectations for how women (and men) should act, and if you don't act in line with those expectations, then they think that "you must be trans!"

[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The NB/TRA slogan of "lesbians have always had a difficult relationship with gender!" Has always bothered me as an actual lesbian myself. They are blatantly saying lesbians are not real women. Our difficult relationship with gender is not solely based on being a lesbian but about what the majority of people expected us to be as women for most of human history, which is being straight and a maid to our husbands. Most women don't want to be maids to their husbands, and every lesbian does not want to be with a man. I'm grateful to have been raised by strong women in my family who taught me that I can act, dress, and just exist however I need and still be a woman.

[–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The NB/TRA slogan of "lesbians have always had a difficult relationship with gender!" Has always bothered me as an actual lesbian myself. They are blatantly saying lesbians are not real women. Our difficult relationship with gender is not solely based on being a lesbian but about what the majority of people expected us to be as women for most of human history, which is being straight and a maid to our husbands.

Yes, exactly!!! You know, it bothers me how the phrase "difficult relationship" can be used to obscure what is actually the problem. Why don't we talk about the actual problems-- those specific sexist and homophobic expectations?

I'm grateful to have been raised by strong women in my family who taught me that I can act, dress, and just exist however I need and still be a woman.

That's great :) I wish I had a similar upbringing. I am always glad to hear when other women have; if I ever have kids, I hope to do that for them.

[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It really does seem they would rather erase lesbians then deal with the actual problem. The only difference between a lesbian and a straight woman is who we are attracted to, and that's it, besides that one thing we're no different to straight women. So, unless they want to argue that only a real woman is one who is attracted to men...which, of course, would make all of womanhood dependent on men.