DiscussionHas anyone debunked the claims that gay men are "feminine" and have "lady brains", and gay women are "masculine" and have "manly brains"?

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[–]UWUness 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

A lot of stuff are out of our control

Yeah, that's why the line between what's in one's control and what's out of one's control is arbitrarily drawn. If you can not choose your feelings, who's to say you can choose your actions? Had you grown up in the 1600s, you would have been as misogynistic, racist and homophobic as the rest of the population. You would have different tastes, hobbies, etc. Who's to say your brain, environment, genes and hormones don't render actions out of your control?

You can not even choose whether or not your nails grow. It's ironic to me that humans feel they can all of a sudden, somehow, "choose" their actions.

But, again, in the existence of free will, even feelings can change and people would be able to control their desires. The whole point of free will is the ability to feel, think, desire and act otherwise. Changing desires and feelings with the power of will and motivation.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah, but there is a difference between cultural influence and biological inclination. Technically, also lots of our mindset and view of the world is about experiences and conditions which we didn't choose, like living in a certain time or place in history. But a person born in a bigoted culture can technically changes their views if their experience leads them to do it. But an homosexual cannot turn hetero,as that is their biology, not simply a view created by their education.

[–]UWUness 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There is a difference between cultural influence and biological inclination

Nope. Both would be out of one's control.

But a person born in a bigoted culture can technically changes their views if their experience leads them to do it

They do not change actually. Whether or not one changes their view, and understands certain arguments depends on their brain capacity, hence similar inclinations that you speak of. Most people have average to below IQs, and even the ones with high IQs fall for false information.

You can't expect the majority to understand and change through discussions and arguments. You can "force" them to not think and act the way they do, through laws, and fear, which we do so people start keeping their thoughts to themselves at least, and that's it.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I mean, they can technically change. Not every person is open minded enough to change their views, but is not technically impossible. While there is zero chance any gay could make themselves heteros.

[–]UWUness 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well if humans tested on rats, we can test on humans, hmm? Apparently, "sexuality" can change. All it takes is controlling hormone levels in the womb, and the way certain genes express themselves, so that say, what would be a so-called "straight" human changes to become a gay human. In other words, even with the "biological inclination" claims, "sexuality" can change, albeit before birth and in the womb.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It would be totally immoral and illegal to do such experiment. Also, it isn't technically impossible. It's a random unpredictable level of hormones at some specific time in the development process, cant see how this could be controlled.

[–]UWUness 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Testing on other animals is immoral too, except humans don't care. And did you forget although testing on humans is illegal on papers, it's already being done? "Transgenderism". Big corporations want money, and test subjects to see what hormones and surgeries do to human bodies. Their goal or agenda is "transhumanism", and mentally ill people are the perfect subjects for them, because they can hide behind "human rights" to damage their bodies.

I'm sure just as they somehow figured hormones lead to "sexualities" that you see in humans with the use of rats, they can figure what level of hormones are needed at what time and at what developmental stage to change "sexuality". They'll be able to control hormone levels in the womb just fine.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean not saying testing on animals is fair, but it isn't the same thing as messing with pregnant women and don't see how that would be allowed. Not to say, that if it is a particular unpredictable hormonal level at some specific point, I don't see it how it would be possible done. Itwould be far more realistic to do it was genes, then you could just do gene editing. Also, we're talking about already homo, not fetus who must to develop. No way an already hardwired homo can be changed. At least on current knowledge

Don't get all your hostility and whats the point of all your arguing against basic stuff like homosexuality being a biological non controlled inclination. Are you trying to say homosexuality is a choice?