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[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Haven't checked in much recently but sure glad I did in time to see this.

I can apply a secular model to them--they hate this--but I'll be damned if it isn't the right political answer. You can't build their halcyon rights end-game on religion in the West. You have to build it on a secular, sex research model. The route they're following is going to fall flat-faced and get bloodied. Nothing they're doing is rational. It's all faith-based.

Yes. Exactly. And I think this is what so many people, at least the people I have personally talked to IRL, don't understand about the gay rights movement. Same-sex attraction (homosexuality, bisexuality) is a phenomenon that exists in nature. It doesn't exist based on faith alone, it's observable and it's natural. It doesn't require action from anybody, it exists in the face of inaction. Nobody in the gay rights movement made a straight person enter a same-sex marriage, but people in the transgender rights movement (try to) make straight people use male pronouns for a woman and female pronouns for a man.

I really appreciate you making a post about this, it's an underappreciated point and one that I think will be important to communicate (especially to straight people), in order to defend LGB rights in the long run.