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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'll still like to advocate and help on behalf of homosexuality, because that's also a part of me

Well, if you are bisexual, then you are bisexual right? Not half heterosexual and half homosexual, but a whole bisexual :)

I have some thoughts on this. I think arguably bisexuality does include both a homosexual orientation and a heterosexual orientation. This makes sense to me in how I've been thinking about sexual orientation as of late, as in, sexual orientation being a combination of how we each feel toward each of the sexes. This is in line with that article posted by a gay man named Duncan on Medium before his account was banned for wrongthink since he's a homosexual that does not believe in gender ideology.

In line with this thinking, if you are homosexual, you are attracted to the same sex and not attracted to the opposite sex. But that lack of attraction to the opposite sex can be on a spectrum of neutral, mere non-attraction to sexual repulsion/revulsion. Same with heterosexuality, but in reverse.

When it comes to bisexuality, a lot of bisexual people seem to have different degrees of attraction to each of the sexes. It does seem that bisexuality is, or can be thought of or experienced as, a combination of two separate orientations. This is also how the Kinsey scale theorizes bisexuality. I think it's an interesting topic and one I would like to hear bisexual perspectives on, both those who see themselves as fully attracted to both sexes and ones who skew one way or the other.

Perhaps we can also talk about whether monosexuals can have different degrees of attraction to the sex they are attracted to. This is harder for me to theorize on my own because I am quite attracted to women. But maybe there is room for the so called "asexual" lesbians here? I don't know, just a thought and not the main point of this comment.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

One interesting thing is bicycle when bisexuals live periods when they craves one sex and don't care about the other, but after some time they started to crave again the sex they didn't care previously. Other than sounding damn instable, kind make the fear of homosexuals not wanting to date bisexuals even more real.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I've heard a couple of bisexual women say they have that experience, but it's not universal and I actually think those people might be in the minority. Would be curious to see a survey on the topic, though. And of course, bisexual men don't get periods so N/A. (Except for some TRAs who think that having constipation = period, lol.)

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

What has that to do with periods? You mean ovulation would increase hetero attraction, possibly. But I've heard bisexual men experiencing something similar too. The thing if you're bisexual and equally attracted to both sexes, you might miss one sex after a while of staying with only one of the two sexes. But a bisexual woman in an hetero relationship can far more easily fulfil her homo side, that's why app are filled with bi girls with boyfriend... A lesbian isn't going to accept is girlfriend having an het relationship.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What has that to do with periods?

Which part?

You mean ovulation would increase hetero attraction, possibly.

Didn't say that, I have no idea what the mechanism is. That's an interesting idea. What I mean is-- a lot of bisexual people I've talked to don't have sexual attraction patterns that change, it just stays the same for them all the time. Of the people who do have the "bi-cycle" or whatever, only some of them are going to have a cycle that matches up with their period (partly because some "bi-cyclers" are men and don't have periods so their "bi-cycle" would have nothing to match up to).

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, but cycle doesn't mean period in that sense., but just a cycle of time.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ohhh, I totally misread your comment as "period = menstruation" not "period = time". Thought you were saying all bisexuals had fluctuating sexual attraction in line with their menstruation... was so confused lol. My bad!

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have some thoughts on this. I think arguably bisexuality does include both a homosexual orientation and a heterosexual orientation.

Well, literally speaking when you say it like that, yes. There's a nuance to how the word "orientation" might be used:

  • orientation = "direction," literally just a word to say, "this is a direction I'm attracted in." This is how you just used the word.

  • orientation = "my characteristic set of directions," e.g. homosexual is an orientation, bisexual is an orientation, heterosexual, and asexual. (edit: this is more how I was intending to use the word)

So then, if you define "homosexual orientation" to be the first of those two use cases, it is reasonable to say, "Bisexual people have two orientations of sexual attraction," but if you define it to be the second of those two use cases, it does not make sense to say, "Bisexual people have two orientations of sexual attraction"-- they can't, because the four "orientations" (again, 2nd use case) are all incompatible with each other. You can't be homosexual and also asexual, etc.

When it comes to bisexuality, a lot of bisexual people seem to have different degrees of attraction to each of the sexes. It does seem that bisexuality is, or can be thought of or experienced as, a combination of two separate orientations. This is also how the Kinsey scale theorizes bisexuality.

I think that would be a helpful way to categorize it for facilitating understanding, and in science as well-- seems they are already doing that to some degree by saying "gynephilic" and "androphilic," different words same idea. The only issue I see with that is distinguishing between the two ways that the word "orientation" is used that I described above. I hate to be so picky over word choice, but... unfortunately conversations around sexual orientation definitions can be really heated, last thing I want to do is perpetuate misunderstandings that heterosexual people and the TQ+ might amplify.

Perhaps we can also talk about whether monosexuals can have different degrees of attraction to the sex they are attracted to. This is harder for me to theorize on my own because I am quite attracted to women. But maybe there is room for the so called "asexual" lesbians here? I don't know, just a thought and not the main point of this comment.

Hmm, yeah I'm not sure. I mean I've noticed that I tend to only be attracted to women under certain circumstances; the TQ+ would probably call me a "demisexual," lol. But I'm not really convinced a person would be both, goes back to the split attraction model and what "attracted to women without being sexually attracted to them" would even mean.