DiscussionThe same Colorado baker who refused to bake the gay wedding cake is now being fined for refusing to bake a transition cake.

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[–][deleted] 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think reading this same coverage on the far opposite political side of the spectrum would be enlightening: https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/23/lgbt-activists-haul-jack-phillips-into-court-again-this-time-over-transgender-and-satan-cakes/

You should get some idea about the vexatious litigant, who does not appear to be operating in good faith. NPR has omitted some facts.

To me this looks like an open-and-shut case of freedom of speech (lack of government ability to compel) and religious freedom tied with a neat bow.

Jack Phillips isn't refusing goods or services to people, he's refusing to make very specific, custom artistic renditions, which are considered speech. He's not kicking people out of his business or refusing to sell them goods.

Ultimately, I don't see how sticking it to Phillips is somehow advancing the LGBTQ+ movement. It's just a narcissistic vendetta. The very first gay litigants may have been operating in good faith, but everything since is certainly not.

I disagree with Jack Phillips on the basis of his religion, which is a matter of faith, and I would not argue that with him. However, I am fond of Jack Phillips insofar as he has his principles and he's sticking with them--not rolling over or virtue signaling on something he knows, and we know, is bonkers.

[–]Penultimate_Penance 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

"Jack Phillips isn't refusing goods or services to people, he's refusing to make very specific, custom artistic renditions, which are considered speech. He's not kicking people out of his business or refusing to sell them goods."

That sums up the crux of the issue.

[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, I decided to go see what they're saying about this on Reddit and of course they're getting the story completely twisted and none of the relevant facts correct, and just going with, "Well he's a Nazi, of course."

[–]julesburm1891[S] 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I made the mistake of talking it over with a friend who immediately decided the shop owner was the villain and the transwoman was the hero for “making him comply with the state’s law.” When I pointed out that this is just as likely to get Colorado’s law overturned because the Supreme Court has already ruled in the baker’s favor, she just stopped talking to me.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Ugh, people who think they're progressive can be such self-righteous assholes, honestly.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That’s why I avoid political topics on Reddit. If you debate an idiot, you’re using up valuable energy. And Reddit is full of idiots. Also, their excessive use of the word "nazi". I despise people who use that word to describe anyone they don’t like.