LifestyleWho else here is experiencing "insanity fatigue"?

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[–]julesburm1891 30 insightful - 3 fun30 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

Dude. Same. Our synagogue just got a new rabbi and suddenly everything is about trans rights and BLM. Like, I just wanted to talk about the Torah. I’ve been ducking out of services lately too because it’s so frustrating and exhausting.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Though I never officially joined, I used to attend a Unitarian Universalist church that was in the process of finding its new "faith" in contemporary social justice. A key moment for me was when I witnessed a teenaged white girl, speaking to a group of other white people, burst into tears over her white privilege. It was one of the most ghastly displays of self-indulgent piety I've ever seen. The people who came into positions of leadership during this shift are so toxic (constantly fighting with everyone) that they can't keep a minister anymore. No one wants to stay more than 1-2 years. So I quietly stopped going.

[–]fuck_reddit 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stuff like that has made me think that the people who were bursting into tears and speaking in tongues in church only to commit adultery and slander everyone fifty years ago are now just social justice warriors. I don’t think the personality type is new, more that it’s in an environment that completely fails to control it or impose limits to people’s actions.

[–]reluctant_commenter 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A key moment for me was when I witnessed a teenaged white girl, speaking to a group of other white people, burst into tears over her white privilege. It was one of the most ghastly displays of self-indulgent piety I've ever seen.

Wow. Just wow.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That’s disturbing.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That whole church has become what I'd call an example of collective narcissism. They are so convinced that they are on the right side of every issue that they can't see what a horrible unintentional self-parody they've become.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is why Christianity is declining while Islam is expanding, even though is stricter against homosexuality.

[–]SkepticalHPSSuper Straight 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I’ve known a lot of folks involved with the UU and ancillary groups like CUUPS and my rude opinion is that it’s just a bunch of rich white liberals circlejerking over how woke they are. I mostly saw people go for a bit after leaving Christianity but lose interest once they formulated their beliefs.

[–]fuck_reddit 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

This happened to my parents church. They used to go all the time, but the pastor got so woke that they couldn’t keep going. I don’t understand why churches keep going woke the more they lose membership... when will it finally hit them that that isn’t what draws people in...

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Same with the Catholic Church. Still against gay marriage, yet somehow priests in Ireland are acknowledging that non-binary people exist?

[–]julesburm1891 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, yes. I recall that part in Genesis where Gd made Adam a man, Eve a woman, and Grey the non-binary person who saw the transphobic structures of Eden.

[–]fuck_reddit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Idk about Ireland but in America there are bishops and priests standing up to it. Even though the cardinal archbishop of the city I'm in is a PoS (for a multitude of reasons) and has flat out said politics supersedes dogma, I went to Latin Mass with a friend and the priest explicitly rejected all the political angling of the Church in the sermon.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good there are some good Catholic priests in America. In Ireland, we only have one, and he opened up his church for Easter Sunday mass. He was the only one to do it. It seems like Irish priests never cared about the people or God, because before they used to beat school children black and blue, kidnap children from their widowed fathers and molest children. Now they’re all woke.

[–]SkepticalHPSSuper Straight 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I can’t speak to Ireland but here in the US there’s a growing number of traditionalist/Latin rite churches that are rejecting a lot of the woke politics that have been coming out of the Vatican. And it’s overwhelmingly younger families attending. If you told teenage Catholic me that there was gonna be a resurgence in young women veiling in church I would’ve laughed at you.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That’s good to see. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t agree with the Church's stance on same sex unions, contraception and divorce (although I would like to see the divorce rate go down). But I can get married or civilly partnered in a registry office, I don’t need to do it at a church.

[–]SkepticalHPSSuper Straight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup that’s my thoughts exactly on hearing about this.

[–]julesburm1891 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think there’s some idea that if they aren’t woke, they’ll be akin to the actively hateful Southern pastors during the 60s. I’ve actually heard Christians make comparisons to that in real life. For whatever reason, Jews seem to make comparisons to the Civil Rights movement. No one is asking how any of this is like the actual Civil Rights movements.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

if they aren’t woke, they’ll be akin to the actively hateful Southern pastors during the 60s.

Yes, I think a lot of pastors have some generational guilt associated with that.

It's also likely that a lot of pastors are aware that most churches are still fairly segregated along racial/ethnic/class lines -- more so than many other social institutions. The Unitarian church I referenced in another post was desperate to be be woke, but, at the same time, if the music got just a little too loud, the white church ladies would immediately raise a huge stink about it. They would probably die of shock if they attended a black church service and heard how loud the music is. (I have friends who work in installing sound systems, so I know how different they are.)

[–]fuck_reddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

u/JulienMayfair pointed out generational guilt, which I would understand in the South, but this is the North. My denomination was one of the ones that split along North and South lines antebellum, with the northern faction being staunchly abolitionist. There shouldn't be any guilt in my city considering one of the churches produced the author of Uncle Tom's Cabin which probably caused the war.

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The rabbi is unaware of Deuteronomy 22:5.

How does one become a rabbi without knowing the texts?

[–]fuck_reddit 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

We modern people have evolved past the need for the Torah/Bible/customary morality because we saw so! /s

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe he got too focused on the rules in Leviticus, since those are the spiciest?

[–]SkepticalHPSSuper Straight 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Eesh, sounds a bit similar. I’m Pagan so our groups are autonomous and not under any centralized regulation but you get some real dumb takes like “if you don’t allow political discussion in your group it allows neonazis to hide.” Like you I just want to find likeminded people in my tradition to practice with without being required to buy into a million DNC talking points.

[–]julesburm1891 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Which sounds incredibly dumb, because my impression of actual nazi pagans is that they aren’t trying at all to hide.

[–]SkepticalHPSSuper Straight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That’s what I’ve seen too. They’re nowhere near as prevalent as all the bedwetters think but the ones that do exist are pretty out and proud about it.