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[–]julesburm1891 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Short answer: it’s complicated.

Long answer: I’d consider myself a classical feminist. (I may have just made up this term.) By this, I mean I acknowledge that women experience discrimination on the basis of sex and that I believe in social, economic, and political equality for all women.

However, I find some problems with a lot of modern feminist camps.

  1. There is a tendency to focus on everyone and everything but women. A lot of people would rather focus on things like Islamophobia, racism, immigration, etc. rather than on Muslim women, black women, immigrant women, etc. I get the need to have a conversation about the needs of minority women, but I don’t understand why all causes need to stand at center stage and push women’s issues behind the curtains.
  2. The rabid focus on transwomen. I understand there are sane transwomen out there who are trying to get on with their lives and I respect that. That doesn’t change that they aren’t women and shouldn’t be the focus of women’s issues. Furthermore, what we are seeing in women’s spaces are lunatics like Julia Serrano and Rachel McKinnon shouting over women for their own benefit. The transwomen who are taking over feminist discourse are AGP men who do not experience the sexism women face, are demanding that we relinquish rights and safety for their validation, and largely seem to be a load of actual misogynists. (If I had a dollar for every time I’ve seen a transwoman talking about how validating it is to be degraded or harassed I could quit my day job. This all just seems to indicate that they believe women are worthy of being degraded and harassed.)
  3. The frivolous nature of a lot of modern feminist complaints. Who cares if dude sits with his legs spread on a subway? Does it matter if most of the books a person enjoys were written by men? Should I or should I not shave my legs? These type of complaints are just silly and detract from serious concerns.
  4. The push for things that aren’t actually in women’s interest. I really don’t know why modern feminism has decided things like prostitution, pornography, or doing sexual things you aren’t really into to make a guy happy are empowering for women. They’re not. What’s actually empowering is getting a practical education (STEM, healthcare, finance, the trades, etc.), having a good career and financial stability, and forging healthy reciprocal relationships.
  5. The cringe factor. “Men are trash.” “Girl, your eyeliner is so sharp it could kill.” “Kill all men.” All these platitudes are just fucking dumb and aren’t helping anyone.

The Rub: no one but redfems are taking on these problems. Other feminists seem to either ignore them or accelerate them at some sort of maglev capacity. At the same time, radfems are politically far left, not super friendly to religion, and (from my experience) can get stuck in the “all men are evil” rut. As a centrist, a believer, and as someone who thinks most men are decent, I find it hard to relate to all of what radical feminism is about.

[–]wokuspokusWoman in a man’s world, TERF in whatever we call this madness 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with pretty much all of that. I think Redfems don’t like men as a political class which is pretty valid given the way men have treated us over history, however most individual men are fine. I think you can dislike a certain group of people on the whole and still like many individual members. Modern feminism basically centres everything except women (what men want, racism, islamophobia (whatever’s currently on trend for the woke tbh). This leaves radfems as the only ones with an ideology that actually puts women first because they are women.

[–]Archie 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed with everything, this is part of what drove me back to second wave feminism as well.