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[–][deleted] 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Here they go with this. 'It's transphobic for rejecting someone due to trans status the same way it would be racist to say you don't date black people.' Except it isn't. Skin color and ethnic features can turn someone on or off just like height, hair color, or eye color. Having ethnic preferences isn't inherently racist on its own. It CAN be, depending on the person and the situation, and that's what they get stuck on.

"Trans and black women" oh shut the fuck up. They never use any other group. It's ALWAYS black women. 'Black women get called masculine too!'. We get called masculine for very different reasons. And by different people.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree. I always say that having a racial / physical / linguistic / whatever preference is not bigoted in and of itself, but how you express and act on those preferences is where things can get 'problematic'. My golden rule is 'discretion is the better part of valour'.

If somebody reaches out to you and you're not interested, then tell them that. You don't owe them a reason or an explanation, and if that person immediately pulls the race / trans / fat card, that tells you more about them than it does about you.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Someone who says 'I don't date black people' could very well be racist, but that statement by itself isn't enough to reach that conclusion.

if that person immediately pulls the race / trans / fat card, that tells you more about them than it does about you.

Truly.

[–]SkinnyVanilla 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Black women being called masculine doesn’t even make sense to me. The features I most strongly associate with black women are full lips and a low waist/hip ratio (obv not universal, but associated), which are hyperfeminine if anything.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yea bc they’re going for shock value and archaic ways of thinking, not logic. I think there is definitely a stereotype of masculine traits when it comes to black women, but I feel like that’s more of a male perspective and it’s about behavior? I’m sure black women have more insight they can share. I’ve never personally associated black women with so-called “masculine traits” other than maybe outspokenness though it makes me want to vomit in even calling that a “masculine trait.” My comment the other day about Lipstick Alley (LSA) keeping it real on gender ideology is relevant here. Also see the YouTube videos of Karen Davis on genderfuckery.

But they’re talking physical traits. Comparing black women’s bodies to the bodies of men who take cross-sex hormones is so fucking stupid and offensive as to merit zero response. I think there is some old pseudoscience out there on the skeletons of black people that these sick fucks like to reference in these arguments.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You hit the nail on the head pretty much. The reason it doesn't make sense is because these TRAs don't know what the fuck they're talking about. They don't bother learning WHO is calling us masculine and the reasons behind that. Obviously there are racist white people who think black women look 'mannish' but in my experience, as a black woman, it's mainly black men I've heard calling us masculine. And it's not because they think we look like men.

Many black people are very traditional when it comes to relationships. The problem is quite a few black women have given up on having a traditional relationship because they’ve grown tired of black men who don’t step up to the plate as fathers and husbands. They’ve said ‘fuck it, I’ll do it myself’ and assumed the role as breadwinner, stopped lowering their standards, and stopped generally making themselves smaller so black men can feel bigger. Black men balked at this because now black women are out here doing things they used to rely on black men for. They don’t feel ‘manly’ anymore and their little egos can’t take it. It’s not enough that a black woman might want to date a black man, she has to need him in some way. Black women that don’t need them (or refuse to treat them like kings when they don’t deserve it) make them feel insecure so they call our independence ‘masculine’ to try and make us more submissive in order to be attractive to them. And I specify black women because they hold black women to a much stricter standard than they hold themselves and non-black women when it comes to dating. I see it all the time with black men who will happily date non-black women, but will rage at the thought of a black woman dating a non-black man. They have this idea that they own us, so when we say no to that concept the first thing they do is call us ‘too masculine.’

For non traditional black women like myself, it's less about being fed up and more about being turned off by black men's (collective) expectation that we be a certain way in order to validate them as men. The end result is the same.

They say things like ‘black women are too masculine nowadays. It’s such a turn off’ when what they really mean is ‘black women’s independence threatens me and since I don’t want to put in the work to be their equal instead of lording my manhood over them I’ll just tear them down instead.’

That particular aspect has nothing to do with black women supposedly looking like men, the way TRAs claim. It has to do with black men being misogynistic and insecure. But they don’t know that because they aren’t black, and rather than learn about what goes on in black communities they decide to talk over us instead. They’re being more racist in the process by applying their white narrative to our experiences.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's very interesting, thank you for sharing.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No problem. It's really frustrating because they say they want a 'strong, Independent, outspoken black woman' but the moment they see that independence and outspokenness in action (making more money than he does so she doesn't rely on him financially, not holding her tongue when he's fucking up, having her own shit going on so she's not twiddling her thumbs waiting on him to get home so she can 'cater to her man', etc) they don't 'feel' like men anymore. So they pull the masculine card. Like sweetie you are still a man even if I pay for dinner. Calm down.

[–]dramasexual 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Honestly my opinion on it is it doesn't even matter if your reasons for having racial preferences are racist. Treat everyone with respect, but sexual attraction is both involuntary and intensely personal. Nobody is owed attraction, and who you're into and why is not up for public debate. And I say that as someone without any real racial preferences tbh. I'm just really bothered by this penchant by wokescolds to pick at people not being attracted to whoever as if its any of their business. Rapey af.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's how I feel too. Why would I waste my time guilt tripping a racist for refusing to date me? And I'm someone who does have racial dating preferences. I will say I do enjoy when I'm talking to a TRA and they pull this card, only for me to say 'actually I'm black and that's not racist'. They trip over themselves every time. 'W-W-WELL!! Y-you don't speak for all black people!' Cool. You don't speak for all trans people either then.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I do have a racial preferance, which doesn't mean I don't like any races, because I do. I never understood people who can't be into an entire race. It's just skin color. Cute people come in all colors. That beign said you cannot force anyone to date anyone. People can reject people for any reasons, even if they're very dumb and superficial like race or height.

[–]dramasexual 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's stupid to even call something like that "dumb and superficial." If you're not attracted to someone you're not attracted to them. It's not like people are making some sort of conscious decision to be turned off by some particular physical feature. Your sexual attraction is not a moral judgment. It's weird to be shirty about what people are not attracted to.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, it was because of meaningless traits saying nothing about a person. But yeah, you cannot control attraction and that's not a moral judgement.