Transing ChildrenCanadian father to be imprisoned for refusing to go along with minor daughter's transition

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[–]BEB[S] 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How many of us were gender non-conforming? Can you imagine what might have happened to us or our parents if this kind of pressure to transition was put on us?

More info on the case:

https://whatisawoman.uk/?page=Casestudy

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When I was a teenager I thought that Canada was a wonderful place and that I would have loved to live there. Now I think this country is a joke. Well, BC at the very least is a joke, which is shame, because they have such beautiful scenery. Is there any province or territory in Canada where the authorities are mostly sane?

[–]ModerateCat 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Short answer? No, unfortunately. Fear of wrongthink is very strong there.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I thought Ireland has an echo chamber culture.

[–]censorshipment 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (11 children)

Here's the thing... when I was 14, I would've been okay with this because my mom was my arch nemesis for trying to force me to be feminine. My dad had to take me shopping for a whole new wardrobe before my first year of high school started because my mom didn't buy any boys clothes/shoes for me to wear. Sending her to prison would've alleviated the mental anguish she was causing me in our household. My mental health got so bad that she was afraid I'd kill her which is why we went to therapy and she conceded... the therapist told my mom to let me be myself. If you've ever visited https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists, you'll understand what type of mom I had to live with. Lots of parents are so awful that they belong in prison for emotionally abusing their children. I'm not saying this dad emotionally abused his daughter, but parental "protection" is very subjective and can be detrimental to children's mental health.

[–]our_team_is_winning 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Would you have wanted your breasts cut off and to have been pumped full of wrong sex hormones though? It sounds like maybe you wanted emancipation from your mom, but a different wardrobe isn't going to do permanent damage and send you into early menopause.

[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Letting your daughter wear boy's clothing is completely different to putting her on puberty blockers, dangerous cross sex hormones and removing her healthy breasts/vagina/ovaries/uterus.

[–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

But I'm almost 40 from the Southeast... I didn't know anything about puberty blockers when I was 14. Had I been able to take blockers, I most definitely would have. And I would've reported my mom for child abuse. I could only socially transition at the time, and she tried to stop me and could've lost her life.

I still wish I could've gotten a mastectomy and hysterectomy as a teen. Puberty was awful.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Puberty blockers will fuck up your entire body.

https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

Why did you hate puberty so much? This is so odd to me. I hated my teenage years but I never once wished to be male or to cut off my breasts or remove my uterus. Is being female worse than developing brittle bone disease in your 20s?

Teenagers shouldn't be allowed to make irreversible medical decisions because they aren't capable of understanding the long term consequences. A hysterectomy/mastectomy should never be performed unless absolutely necessary. I don't want kids and I hate having periods but I'd rather deal with that than risk having my organs prolapse or shit/piss myself because my pelvic floor is weaker without a uterus to hold everything in place. The human body is extremely complex and it's unwise to remove healthy organs will-nilly without considering the effects to the rest of the body.

Long-term effects of hysterectomy on the pelvic floor that should be considered in surgical decision-making are: pelvic organ prolapse, urinary incontinence, bowel dysfunction, sexual function and pelvic organ fistula formation.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/805517#:~:text=Hysterectomy%20is%20associated%20with%20a,and%20sexual%20function%20remain%20disputed.

[–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

It's about passing, and not feeling like a female, at any costs. If parents aren't allowing their daughters to change ("transition"), the parents are forcing their daughters to be prey who will be victimized by predatory men. For 25 years, men have been commenting on my breasts. It's exhausting. Male attention is disgusting. Could've avoided this had I been given puberty blockers or a mastectomy. Men aren't ever going to shut the fuck up nor respect women nor die off.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being FTM won't stop sexual harassment, it might even make it worse. Brandon Teena was a victim of corrective rape.

What's stopping you from getting a breast reduction/removal now?

There will always be disgusting, predatory men but destroying your female body is defeatist.

[–]antares 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Many people have a very whitewashed view of surgery. For just plastic surgery, more people will see a beautiful celebrity than they will ever hear about pain, complications, scarring, botching, or disfiguration (in severe cases of addicts). For sex changes, there's a much larger list, yet similarly their focus is on idealized results.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mhm, once you start paying attention you see how many drawbacks there are. The surgery doesn't even have to be botched. It's just a side effect of carving up your body. People think that the surgeon can just move parts around like playdough but then end up with severe nerve damage which can never be repaired.

[–]emptiedriver 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here's the thing... when I was 14, I would've been okay with this

isn't that the point? That what you're ok with when you're 14 shouldn't be made into law...

Or are you saying that you would have been ok with being counseled into getting medical intervention at 14 in order to try to fix the mental health issues you were going through? Many teenagers go through a rough period during adolescence - when I was a kid we all became moody, black-wearing, Smiths-listening, boot stomping, weird hair cutting types for a while. And some people did use "medical substances" but most didn't have permanent effects at least.

Not saying either answer is good - being a teenager shouldn't have to be such an ordeal, and I do think unrealistic expectations, limiting roles, and all sorts of things that make people think they just don't "fit in" need to be worked on so that growing up can be less stressful. But, offering an easy answer in a hormone shot to a kid who is still growing, without every concerned party agreeing that it's an emergency and the only door left to try seems crazy.

I get that some parents are worse than others. I don't know exactly how to handle that, how to judge it and who gets to make the call, but putting parents in jail for wanting to halt non-necessary experimental medical procedures on their kid is going overboard.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a world of difference between allowing your child to wear clothes that don't conform to their gendered expectations and hormonally and surgically altering your body so you look like a man for a few years and die young after a lifelong struggle with mental and physical health problems. In fact, not allowing your child to refuse to conform to sex-role stereotypes actually (at least in part) directly causes the desire to transition.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Should have gone on holiday to the UK... And stayed.