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[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

But the question is, despite what various people think, is neopenis a real penis,

This depends on your definition of what a "real penis" is. My definition of a "real penis" is a penis someone is born with, it could be healthy, or it could be deformed, at which point I suppose there would be a threshold. How deformed does it have to be before it stops being a "real penis" and becomes a "deformity", I don't know. I have a feeling it would be an "I know it when I see it" situation.

If someone else's definition of a "real penis" involves a surgical/medical/3D-copy/magic/whatever body part that somewhat looks and functions like a penis, then we will never agree. My definition and their definition are different. We would be arguing apples and oranges.

Yes, some people would think a neopenis is a penis, but if it really is, then the people that force others to accept it is a real penis are right to do that because they'd just make people accept the truth.

But if a neopenis is not a real penis then the people that force others to think a neopenis is a real penis are wrong because they are selling a lie.

This is where it becomes really sticky, because they wouldn't just be saying "My facts are the correct facts, and you must agree!" They would be saying "My definition is the correct definition, and you must agree with the conclusions that are based on my definitions!"

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So, is your definition of a real penis the correct definition or are you claiming that definitions are subjective and people can define things however they want in which case one can define a woman to include a trans woman and a man to include a trans man and they would be just as correct as you who doesn't define a woman to include a trans woman and a man to include a trans man, and none of you would be able to force each other to accept each other's definitions because they are all subjective?

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think my definitions are the correct ones and that everyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid, ignorant and/or delusional.

I also understand that other people may feel the same way about their own opinions.

I believe that people need to sit down together and agree on universal definitions before a productive debate and mutual agreement can happen.