Am I wrong for not wanting to watch movies/shows with trans actors?

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[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

but transition is just a way to alleive gender dysphoria.

No, this is only one reason why people choose to transition-- trans-identified people have a variety of reasons for transitioning, not just gender dysphoria. Trans people themselves admit and discuss this. Also, transitioning is an ineffective solution for the problem of gender dysphoria.

From a previous comment-- Here are some of the reasons I've heard for why people identify as transgender, both on the internet and from people I know in real life:

  • Feelings of gender dysphoria that lead the person to believe that they are a member of the opposite sex "in their soul" or that they have "the brain of the opposite sex" (even though the claim that a transgender person's brain matches that of the opposite sex, has been debunked by research).

  • Moral beliefs. Some people identify as "nonbinary" (a subgroup of transgender) because of their political beliefs; they believe that the best way to reject bigoted sex stereotypes is to deny the idea that they, as individuals, may be categorized at all.

  • Gender-nonconformity without any gender dysphoria. When an individual has many behaviors that are go against bigoted sex stereotypes in society (e.g. being a woman who is into mathematics, when sex stereotypes suggest that women are "bad at math"), the people around them may repeatedly question whether they are "transgender and in denial about it" or whether they are "nonbinary". For example, I know a "cisgender" gay man who has had multiple people suggest to him that he ought to "identify as transgender" because he is interested in some hobbies that are stereotyped as being "feminine" or "for women". EDIT: This is also a great video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrnJOSk-3kA&list=PL0nfjtJgTXZ2a4aB26dX-5MJtVZLgNoni&index=15

  • Fetishism. Specifically, sexual arousal to cross-dressing and fantasizing about oneself as the opposite sex. For example, some autogynephilic men who do not have gender dysphoria but do have sexual arousal at the idea of being a woman, choose to transition and they identify as transgender. You can see examples of this on the r/askAGP subreddit on Reddit.

  • Peer pressure. In Western countries, it has become popular among adolescents to "identify" as LGBTQ+, and being straight or not LGBTQ+ is deemed boring, negative, or even immoral. In the Middle East, there is a lot of societal pressure for gay men and lesbians to transition to the opposite sex so that they may be seen as "straight" like this woman from Iran: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29832690

  • Government-mandated transition. At least two countries in the Middle East, Iran and Pakistan, force same-sex-attracted individuals to undergo sex reassignment surgery (or face a different violent outcome, like the death penalty).

I am probably forgetting some other reasons why people choose to identify as transgender.

Separating from the T is never going to happen unless we stop dwelling on everything trans people do.

This is one of the only places on the internet where one can openly "dwell on" their experiences and opinions of transgender ideology-- it's unreasonable to criticize this poster for just wanting some feedback. Also, we do have to "dwell on" the idea of transgenderism in the course of discussing it, so that's kind of inevitable.

How do you propose we "drop the T"? I'm always curious to hear people's suggestions for strategies.

edit: a word

[–]watermelonapples 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The only way a person is trans is if they have gender dysphoria, everything else is a parasite. Also, gender dysphoria is not a mix-matched brain thing, it's a neurological defect. Transitioning is actually beneficial to a lot of trans people. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272735820300635

I believe the best way to drop the T is by drowning it out by talking only about LGB issues.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only way a person is trans is if they have gender dysphoria, everything else is a parasite.

It sounds like you might believe in the transmedicalist ("truscum") view of transgenderism, then? I personally used to look at it that way as well, but I no longer do. This comment and discussion chain is part of why I no longer believe it. However, there's a sizeable chunk of participants on this sub (like 1/3 or something last time I saw an informal vote) who believe similarly to you, so, ya know, lots of room for diversity of views. But, anyway-- even if you believe that "gender dysphoria -> trans", many portrayals of trans people in the media seem inaccurate even by that definition.

Transitioning is actually beneficial to a lot of trans people.

Transitioning has a possibility of being beneficial to a limited number of trans people and in a limited variety of ways. There is almost no research on the cohort of trans-identified people whose gender dysphoria began in adolescence. There is also relatively little research on children and teenagers who identify as transgender. In the study you linked, note the inclusion criteria and exclusion criteria in Table 2:

Inclusion

Participants are over the age of 18 years old.

Participants are transgender i.e. have a gender identity which is different from their assigned gender.

Exclusion

Participants include those under the age of 18

So you see that this review is focused on a specific subset of transgender people. I don't have time right now to read it in-depth but I'll take a look later this evening, hopefully.

For a good review of some harmful effects of transitioning, I would recommend this article which summarizes some disturbing trends reported by the Tavistock data on trans-identified youth in the UK: https://www.transgendertrend.com/the-tavistocks-experiment-with-puberty-blockers-part-5-the-belated-results/

A former Tavistock senior staff member also resigned because of concerns over LGB youth being transed, calling it "conversion therapy" on public TV: https://www.channel4.com/news/children-have-been-very-seriously-damaged-by-nhs-gender-clinic-says-former-tavistock-staff-governor

I believe the best way to drop the T is by drowning it out by talking only about LGB issues.

Unfortunately, there are far more trans-identified people than there are "cisgender" LGB people, so this is difficult to do. But, I do agree that cultivating LGB-specific spaces where we can talk and share experiences would be ideal. The mods of this sub were planning to start a s/LGB sub but there hasn't been progress on that front in a while. I'd like to get a s/LGBmemes type of subsaidit going, but I'm still in the process of planning it.