Am I wrong for not wanting to watch movies/shows with trans actors?

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[–]our_team_is_winning 42 insightful - 1 fun42 insightful - 0 fun43 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I hope I am free to say this here: Transgenderism shouldn't sit well with anyone. It's delusional and narcissistic. That's not healthy. And we're all being told we're bad people (or worse slurs) if we don't embrace this garbage.

It's perfectly fine to say no. Wasn't "boundaries" a thing not long ago?

[–]mvmlego 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (10 children)

What exactly are those boundaries, though? What is the extent to which you'd say that it's morally acceptable to refuse to interact with trans people? If the movie was aimed at promoting trans ideology, then I'd understand, but the OP was being much more general than that. What would you think about avoiding shopping at a small grocery store that had a transgender cashier, for example?

[–]SkinnyVanilla 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think you have a moral obligation to interact with anyone, and that it's fine to avoid whoever you want for any reason.

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

If I understand your comment correctly, then your principle implies that there's nothing morally wrong with, for example, an owner of a small restaurant refusing to serve an Asian person on account of their race. Is that correct, or is your principle only meant to apply customers' obligations, or am I misinterpreting your comment in some other way?

[–]SkinnyVanilla 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I mean people acting in their personal lives have no obligation to interact with anyone. If you are offering a service to the public, then yes in that case you have an obligation to offer that service without regard for your personal feelings.

[–]mvmlego 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting. I view the choice of whether or not one buys/rents/views-in-cinema a movie as a business transaction like any other. Still, I can see the utility in only holding the expectation that people not discriminate in business transactions in cases where they're the ones providing the good or service, as opposed to consuming it.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I won't watch shows with actors who are known pedophiles. Doesn't matter to me if the show is not about pedophilia, per se.

[–]watermelonapples 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is why people don't like us. You cannot compare pedophilia to transgenderism.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, I can. I just did. Time to accept the fact that "No" is a complete sentence. Only rapists don't understand this.

[–]our_team_is_winning 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't go out of my way to ingest sexual perversion. I would wonder about a grocery store that hired a mentally ill person as a representative of their company. If it had the best selection and prices or was closest to my home, I guess I'd just try to minimize the interaction. I've had to work with TWO men who were playing dress-up as women. The one was super nice and clearly a gay man whose Islamic faith taught that it was better to have surgery than be openly gay. That's one kind of tragedy. The other was an older married (to a woman) man who slowly started dressing in women's clothes which clashed with his receding hairline. His wife was a total victim. That's another kind of tragedy.

I'm not going to seek out trans content, and if I come across it, chances are I will turn it off and focus elsewhere. It's not normal and nobody should have to accept it as such.

[–]GConly 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It irks me when transwomen try to play women. They so rarely pass, it's jarring.

It's like seeing a white guy in black face, or made up to look Chinese.

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Did you see the TV show YOU?

I kept focusing on the transgender-natal-male "actress" trying to figure out what was off about "her" and then realized it was a man. And that threw off the whole show, because I couldn't accept him in the role he was playing.

I read somewhere, perhaps on this forum itself, that people have an innate reaction of disorientation when confronted by a man dressed as a woman, even if they pass relatively well.

I know when I spent time in countries where gay men are encouraged or forced to transition, I could still spot them as men. There was just something that gave it away.

But I agree that the astro-turfing of entertainment by the gender lobby has gone way too far. And it is very much an attempt to soften us up for the gender lobby legislation that has been snuck through, in the US from the local/state level to now the federal level with the Equality Act.

[–]GConly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't watch it and needed to hit Google.

Reddit thread

Apparently it's supposed to be a natal woman. I get the impression no one was fooled.

The only one who fooled me was Alexandra Grey, but then both medical dramas I saw her in she wasn't moving around much, and I find body movement one of the giveaways.

That one I'd guess is probably clinically diagnosable as moderately androgen insensitive. Only 5'5'' tall.

I knew a trans kid about 40 years ago who transitioned in the nineties. It was pretty obvious he hadn't been masculinised normally. Puberty came and went and he only grew a few inches. I think that's pretty much standard for the very effeminate one who have GD as wee kids.

[–]Constantine 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm no defender of "You" (it's a pretty bad show at this point) but I didn't have a problem with that particular casting since I don't think the character was supposed to be anything other than a TW, and because the character was played up as a ridiculous, hypocritical woke person with all kinds of incoherent views.

As for Season 2 of the show, I have no defense of that.

[–]BEB 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are we talking about the same person? I don't remember a character ever being acknowledged as trans?

I'm thinking of the "woman" with blonde hair who is the rival to the first female lead. Sorry - I've forgotten most of it - were there TWO trans actors?

OK, i Just looked it up and the actor I'm thinking of is Hari Nef who plays Blythe. Who was the other trans actor and what role did they play?

Or was Blythe the character you mean, and Blythe is a trans"woman" in the series with the series acknowledging that the character of Blythe is trans? If they did, I missed it. I thought the show was trying to pass him off as a woman.

[–]Constantine 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, I mean Blythe. I don't know if the character was ever explicitly acknowledged as trans, I just kind of assumed because it was this "woke" group of friends and I think I may have read an interview about it? I'm pretty sure Netflix counted that character toward their LGBT+ quota or whatever, and the character had a male love interest, so under the TRA orthodoxy that's a "straight" relationship. Also, the actor is just clearly trans. I never got the sense (unlike with the character on that period chess show drama-I stopped watching as soon as the trans actor showed up with that one) that the character was supposed to be anything other than trans. I could be wrong, though.

For me that character being trans just added to the overall aesthetic of the person being annoyingly woke/self-centered. Either way I wish we didn't have trans actors because I have a problem with the trans ideology in general, but that's another topic.

[–]BEB 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think Blythe was acknowledged as trans and instead we were supposed to buy the character as a straight woman. That's what made it really irritating. The character was annoying to begin with, but to have to try to suspend disbelief every time he was in a scene really took me out of the show.

[–]Constantine 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If that's the case, yeah, that would make it very hard for me to watch the show. Well, that season anyway, I'm not a fan of the current seasons.

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I don’t care about trans actors in movies or tv shows as long as they don’t try to sell their heterosexual relationships as homosexual. Exemple: The ”””lesbian””” couple in Sense8 and Euphoria is a woman and a transblock, heterosexual couple. We’re already underrepresented in pop culture it pisses me off to death when the “lesbians” are some bisexual woman and het man.

Even in the lesbian movies where they are real women most often they aren’t lesbians, they’re always fcking bisexuals. In general, there’s hardly lesbian representation and now when there’s lesbian representation is lesbian representation for men and non-lesbian women. My ass.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I think it's fantastic that they based the villain in sense8 on Blanchard. Like, that's some next level flattery. It's one thing to a have a character based on you, another to have the main villain. Especially because they're clearly acknowledging his theories and how they feel uncomfortable with him telling it as it is.

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Wait, seriously lol? That's hilarious. What show is this?

edit: Just looked up Sense8, they actually have autogynephile representation?! That's crazy!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Wait really? I didn't get that far into the show because it's not very good.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well it's described as being "trans lesbian" but yes. I guess it could just be a straight guy and not necessarily a guy with AGP.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm lost, where did you read this? I saw about 3 episodes of the show ages ago (it's a bit boring). I later realised the Blanchard / bailey thing which I thought was hilarious.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-makes-sense8-the-best-lgbt-tv-show

One of the eight psychically-linked strangers in the Wachowski-led Netflix science fiction series is a young transgender woman named Nomi (Jamie Clayton) whose cisgender partner Amanita (Freema Agyeman) is smart, playful, and fiercely protective.

Didn't know it was directed by the Wachowskis, surprise surprise.

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

IKR? It's like they learned all of the wrong lessons from The Matrix--specifically, that they think the reasons that people liked it were because of its trippy elements, and so they turned those up to 10 in each subsequent production.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I vaguely remember Nomi. But yeah she had a girlfriend. I think the plot line was that Blanchard wanted to capture Nomi to look at her head and fix her or something.

I still think it's hilarious they basically made fanfic of blanchard. He was the bad guy but still.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's fucking hilarious lol. I'll have to check that out.

[–]BonesRedsMy pronouns are Yu/Gi/Oh! 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you! This drives me up the wall! There's nothing lesbian about that Euphoria couple at all. They're just a straight couple with bells and whistles, but then the show gets praised for it's "lesbian representation." Fuck right off with that.

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not wanting to reward participation in a dogma that actively assaults your rights is the natural reaction.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wrong? No. You’re not wrong at all. I don’t want to watch shows or movies with trans actors either.

[–]davids877Straight Male Man 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Apparently the NB Female with the FTM on Star Trek Discovery is a straight couple? I guess?

There was already a normal gay couple on the show, but then they had to go full-woke. And of course now the gay couple plays 'their' two dads to the NB character.

[–]Finnegan7921 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah those two being THAT invested in the kid very, very quickly was a bit much for me. And of course, this character is a super-duper next level genius who just shows up and instantly starts fixing the ship.

I thought it was ridiculous, but not as bad as Wesley Crusher.

[–]mvmlego 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

As I've commented before:

I'm not so keen on boycotting [people or organizations] that don't incorporate their objectionable political or social views into their products or services. I think there's an important distinction between "paying people who hate me" and "paying people to hate me". I don't mind seeing a movie which stars an actor who has abhorrent political views, as long as those views don't work their way into the movie. I don't think that buying a product from a person indicates, or should be commonly understood as indicating, that the buyer likes the seller or the seller's political views. I think that being willing to interact with people who we despise (and people who despise us) is important for living in a pluralistic society. I don't want cancel culture turned in my favor; I want it dismantled completely.

I think this reasoning applies in this case, with a couple of caveats. If the trans person doesn't pass (in terms of both appearance and voice) as an ordinary member of the sex that their character is supposed to be, then I'd consider it to be politically motivated casting, and so I'd refuse to see the movie. In addition, if the character they're supposed to play is trans, then I'd probably consider that to be politically motivated writing, and so I'd refuse to see the movie.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, you're not wrong, and I feel the same way. What would actually be cool is if we could get a boycott list going or something.

Mind sharing a link to the video? Too bad comments were disabled, but not surprised.

edit: typo

[–]censorshipment 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

No, you're not wrong.

Although I'm a "Pose" fan, I'd cringe if Indya Moore or Mj Rodriguez portrayed a regular female character. I get that they want to be seen as normal, but they're not normal. Lol oh but I could get behind Laith Ashley portraying a regular male character... zaddy. And now that I think about it, I could see Amiyah Scott (from "Star") playing a regular female character... when I first saw him, I thought he looked like Janet Jackson. Lol passibility (to me) is key.

[–]watermelonapples 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

It's your preference. Is disliking movies just because one of the actors is gay homophobic?
I don't see the connection to LGB issues here.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The connection is that the promotion of transgender actors promotes a homophobic belief system, in which gay men and women are encouraged to become "straight" and are told that they have, e.g. for gay men, "the brain of a woman, in a man's body."

edit: Meant actors not characters. But, honestly it's true either way.

[–]watermelonapples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm not really getting that message personally. Trans actors are just trans actors. How is it homophobic?

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Trans actors are just trans actors.

The whole concept of "transitioning" from one sex to another originated as an extreme form of conversion therapy designed to erase same-sex-attracted individuals (and specifically gay men). Transgender ideology is the homophobic ideology I'm describing, and people who support it-- such as "trans" actors-- are implicitly supporting the erasure of LGB people. (Transgender ideology is also sexist and ableist, but s/lgbdropthet focuses on its homophobic aspects.)

It looks like you made your account 3 hours ago; have you had a chance to read this sub's sidebar? The sub description outlines the basics of why we who are LGB (and our allies) want to "drop the T."

[–]watermelonapples 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Disregarding transgender ideology and transgender history, being trans nowadays isn't a way to escape homosexuality. Trans people transition because they have gender dysphoria. I know some people use it as a form of conversion therapy, but transition is just a way to alleive gender dysphoria. There are also trans people who are gay. And lots of trans people support same-sex attraction, at least where I'm from. And yes, I've read the sidebar, and I don't think talking about how unappealing trans actors are in movies is beneficial to LGB. Separating from the T is never going to happen unless we stop dwelling on everything trans people do.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

but transition is just a way to alleive gender dysphoria.

No, this is only one reason why people choose to transition-- trans-identified people have a variety of reasons for transitioning, not just gender dysphoria. Trans people themselves admit and discuss this. Also, transitioning is an ineffective solution for the problem of gender dysphoria.

From a previous comment-- Here are some of the reasons I've heard for why people identify as transgender, both on the internet and from people I know in real life:

  • Feelings of gender dysphoria that lead the person to believe that they are a member of the opposite sex "in their soul" or that they have "the brain of the opposite sex" (even though the claim that a transgender person's brain matches that of the opposite sex, has been debunked by research).

  • Moral beliefs. Some people identify as "nonbinary" (a subgroup of transgender) because of their political beliefs; they believe that the best way to reject bigoted sex stereotypes is to deny the idea that they, as individuals, may be categorized at all.

  • Gender-nonconformity without any gender dysphoria. When an individual has many behaviors that are go against bigoted sex stereotypes in society (e.g. being a woman who is into mathematics, when sex stereotypes suggest that women are "bad at math"), the people around them may repeatedly question whether they are "transgender and in denial about it" or whether they are "nonbinary". For example, I know a "cisgender" gay man who has had multiple people suggest to him that he ought to "identify as transgender" because he is interested in some hobbies that are stereotyped as being "feminine" or "for women". EDIT: This is also a great video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrnJOSk-3kA&list=PL0nfjtJgTXZ2a4aB26dX-5MJtVZLgNoni&index=15

  • Fetishism. Specifically, sexual arousal to cross-dressing and fantasizing about oneself as the opposite sex. For example, some autogynephilic men who do not have gender dysphoria but do have sexual arousal at the idea of being a woman, choose to transition and they identify as transgender. You can see examples of this on the r/askAGP subreddit on Reddit.

  • Peer pressure. In Western countries, it has become popular among adolescents to "identify" as LGBTQ+, and being straight or not LGBTQ+ is deemed boring, negative, or even immoral. In the Middle East, there is a lot of societal pressure for gay men and lesbians to transition to the opposite sex so that they may be seen as "straight" like this woman from Iran: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29832690

  • Government-mandated transition. At least two countries in the Middle East, Iran and Pakistan, force same-sex-attracted individuals to undergo sex reassignment surgery (or face a different violent outcome, like the death penalty).

I am probably forgetting some other reasons why people choose to identify as transgender.

Separating from the T is never going to happen unless we stop dwelling on everything trans people do.

This is one of the only places on the internet where one can openly "dwell on" their experiences and opinions of transgender ideology-- it's unreasonable to criticize this poster for just wanting some feedback. Also, we do have to "dwell on" the idea of transgenderism in the course of discussing it, so that's kind of inevitable.

How do you propose we "drop the T"? I'm always curious to hear people's suggestions for strategies.

edit: a word

[–]watermelonapples 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The only way a person is trans is if they have gender dysphoria, everything else is a parasite. Also, gender dysphoria is not a mix-matched brain thing, it's a neurological defect. Transitioning is actually beneficial to a lot of trans people. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272735820300635

I believe the best way to drop the T is by drowning it out by talking only about LGB issues.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only way a person is trans is if they have gender dysphoria, everything else is a parasite.

It sounds like you might believe in the transmedicalist ("truscum") view of transgenderism, then? I personally used to look at it that way as well, but I no longer do. This comment and discussion chain is part of why I no longer believe it. However, there's a sizeable chunk of participants on this sub (like 1/3 or something last time I saw an informal vote) who believe similarly to you, so, ya know, lots of room for diversity of views. But, anyway-- even if you believe that "gender dysphoria -> trans", many portrayals of trans people in the media seem inaccurate even by that definition.

Transitioning is actually beneficial to a lot of trans people.

Transitioning has a possibility of being beneficial to a limited number of trans people and in a limited variety of ways. There is almost no research on the cohort of trans-identified people whose gender dysphoria began in adolescence. There is also relatively little research on children and teenagers who identify as transgender. In the study you linked, note the inclusion criteria and exclusion criteria in Table 2:

Inclusion

Participants are over the age of 18 years old.

Participants are transgender i.e. have a gender identity which is different from their assigned gender.

Exclusion

Participants include those under the age of 18

So you see that this review is focused on a specific subset of transgender people. I don't have time right now to read it in-depth but I'll take a look later this evening, hopefully.

For a good review of some harmful effects of transitioning, I would recommend this article which summarizes some disturbing trends reported by the Tavistock data on trans-identified youth in the UK: https://www.transgendertrend.com/the-tavistocks-experiment-with-puberty-blockers-part-5-the-belated-results/

A former Tavistock senior staff member also resigned because of concerns over LGB youth being transed, calling it "conversion therapy" on public TV: https://www.channel4.com/news/children-have-been-very-seriously-damaged-by-nhs-gender-clinic-says-former-tavistock-staff-governor

I believe the best way to drop the T is by drowning it out by talking only about LGB issues.

Unfortunately, there are far more trans-identified people than there are "cisgender" LGB people, so this is difficult to do. But, I do agree that cultivating LGB-specific spaces where we can talk and share experiences would be ideal. The mods of this sub were planning to start a s/LGB sub but there hasn't been progress on that front in a while. I'd like to get a s/LGBmemes type of subsaidit going, but I'm still in the process of planning it.

[–]marmorsymphata 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Is disliking movies just because one of the actors is gay homophobic?

I mean? Yes???

[–]watermelonapples 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So why is it not transphobic to dislike a movie just because there's a trans character? TRAs are insane but trans people are just people.

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

TRAs are insane but trans people are just people.

Trans people support a homophobic ideology by the mere fact of self-identifying as "transgender". I totally agree that we should not villainize people sucked into the trans cult-- it's just not fair or accurate to make broad generalizations such as "all trans people are pedophiles" for example. However, choosing to boycott a movie that promotes bigoted beliefs is not, itself, bigoted.

[–]watermelonapples 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's not what trans is though. I have trans friends who support same-sex attraction. A movie that has an actor that is trans is not making a statement. They just happen to be an actor that is trans. Are gay trans people homophobic too?

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First off, in terms of the US entertainment industry, trans actors/ characters are often put in to make a statement. "Virtue-signal' if you want to use those words.

How many average people, especially before the Gender Tsunami of the last ten years attempted to drown us all in feelz, have actually interacted with trans anything in real life? But yet the US entertainment industry would have us think that we are surrounded by transgenders and that they are just normal people who want to be left alone as they will leave us alone.

Sure, many people who are now referred to as "transgender" just want to get on with life. But the gender lobby across the world is rewriting laws that will destroy the rights of gay men, women, parents and attack free speech, biology and children's mental and physical health.

And that's because there's a huge amount of money behind the push to normalize gender divergence and that's because the Gender Industry stands to make a fortune off of sex changes. A young person sucked into the Gender Fad is worth millions over the course of their lives to Big Pharma/ Big medicine.

So this normalization of the idea of transitioning being pushed on us by Hollywood is not innocent, it's driven by profit, and I think something even more sinister because it seems the gender lobby wants to reorder our lives.

[–]marmorsymphata 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I mean, yeah... This is one of those times where it's not about rights or politics or whatever, just you not liking trans people even if you have no idea what their beliefs are. It's this kind of thing that lets TRAs just say "well terfs and cis gays are just bigots" and move on.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or maybe women find it offensive when men LARP as women?

After all, implying that a man can identify into women's oppression, implies that women can identify out of their own oppression.

If those Nigerian girls kidnapped by Boko Haram had only identified as men they would have been immediately released instead of turned into sex slaves!

If my grandmother had said her pronouns were "he/they" maybe she would have had the right to vote earlier!

We don't tolerate cultural appropriation in the US, why the hell should women be forced to tolerate biological appropriation?

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It really depends on the situation for me. For example, I recently watched Promising Young Woman and while Laverne Cox was a bit stereotypical (sassy girl friend), I think he pulled off the role well and didn't stick out like a sore thumb, nor did the movie mention that he was trans or virtue signal. I've also got A Fantastic Woman lined up to watch sometime soon with my mother, even though both of us are really over the whole TQ crowd and the things they're pulling these days. It really does depend on the type of movie, who's making it and with what intent. If it's just a case of pushing forward an agenda or virtue signally or casting someone simply because they're trans/nb/queer, then I'll refuse to watch it.

[–]hetisachoice 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you've seen Myra Breckinridge, then you've seen them all.