Transing ChildrenFirst mention of the Keira Bell court case in a major liberal U.S. news outlet? - New Yorker article by a transgender-identified person (FtM)

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[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Nothing terrible happens if a person transitions again, which is how I think we should think about it.”

This is so bullshit. Surely a trans person would understand this. The detrans person will probably end up with some degree of gender dysphoria for the rest of their life because some things just can't be undid.

In other eras, boys would be expected to abandon toys and take up adult vocations at the age of seven; girls were historically married off as soon as they went through puberty.... Our own ideas of maturity are no less arbitrary than our ancestors’.

So, are they advocating for child labour and child marriage???? Jesus christ.

[–]SerpensInferna 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm just going to bring this up because this is a terribly misquoted fact that drives me absolutely insane.

When we hear stories of girls being married off at a very young age - the great majority of the time these were royal or upper class women and it was to make alliances. Your average woman, even in the medieval era and before, generally married around the age of 20. Our ancestors weren't complete morons and they understood that very young girls having babies was even more dangerous than grown women having babies, and giving birth was always dangerous.

Also the person that wrote this article is a complete moron.

[–]GConly 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your average woman, even in the medieval era and before, generally married around the age of 20.

Rome too. Child brides tended to be politically motivated there too.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Here are some facts then https://www.worldvision.com.au/global-issues/work-we-do/forced-child-marriage#:~:text=When%20it%20comes%20to%20child,of%20all%20young%20women%20globally.&text=Each%20year%2C%20another%2012%20million,of%2018%20become%20child%20brides. https://www.worldvision.org/child-protection-news-stories/10-worst-places-child-marriage

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you for sharing that! Wow. Just wow. That's beyond fucked up.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah it definitely goes on. I cannot understand why the TRA in question would want to paint it as being appropriate though??? No, I don't think you kids should be getting married or working full time as carpenters. What on earth??

Anecdotally my grandparents left school at 13 to work, and while their lives aren't messed or horrible up for it, it wasn't a great situation and they worked hard so that their own kids would not have to have a childhood like that.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and they worked hard so that their own kids would not have to have a childhood like that.

EXACTLY!!! We try to better society so that we do not have to live like that, with the pointless harms and dangers that we did in the past... so why use the past as justification for doing bullshit today?? "They did something equally as harmful in the past" is not a good justification for doing something harmful in the present.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They want to challenge notions of our current understanding yet don't realize that all discrepancies between how we do things now and did them in the past was born out of challenging our understanding of things. Society only regresses when changes are made in the name of religion or a cult. When changes are made for the betterment of society, such as recognizing that the vast majority of children are stupid because, well, children are fucking stupid! then that is usually not a bad thing. We might challenge whether age is the end all measure of maturity, I know I've met some teenagers more responsible than college students and even some graduates, but age is generally a good starting point if you can't gather much qualitative information. Without meeting someone or hearing quite a bit about them, age is the only metric we can use and quantify that could lead you to a general conclusion about maturity.

And when it comes to "immutable" things, we need to wait until the body and mind have developed at least before we try to change them. Someone's bone structure is not done developing until past 18 years of age, someone's mind only really finishes developing... in the late 20s I think? Early 20s? 100% after they're a 12 year old who tried on daddy's boots or mommy's heels and pretended to be the other gender because they have no idea how any of that works or that they don't need to be a woman to like heels or a man that likes boots!

100% of child diagnoses of being trans are born of stereotypes and gender roles invented by society. Therefore transness can only be as strong as those stereotypes and roles.