Colonization"Women have dicks" "Lesbians like sucking dick" Just repeat it over and over until you brainwash everybody or they leave.

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[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have zero issues with a MTF dating another MTF, I don't even care if they want to call themselves lesbians

I have issues with it, because the majority of transitioners seek repeated external validation of their "womanhood" and if a "transbian" can exist and be a lesbian, then inevitably some number of them will try to pressure lesbians to date them as a form of validation of their womanhood.

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Nailed it.

[–]begonia_skies 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I personally lend more towards the understanding there should and can be a degree of nuance allowed. You can say, no one but only biological women that solely date other biological women should get the title "lesbian" - and while I do agree with that, the trans population isn't going away, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube and the world is changing. My anger is pointed towards those you clearly highlighted in this post, the MTFs that shame lesbians, that invade spaces, that constantly beg for validation from lesbians like we are validation machines. Two consenting adult people that want to live their farce outside the realm of my reality, I don't really care, now if they push themselves into spaces and demand the center stage, that is a different conversation and not one and the same. While I don't personally love when they call themselves lesbians, arguing over semantics between ourselves isn't going to make a difference while the loudest MTFs bully themselves into more and more positions of trust.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and while I do agree with that, the trans population isn't going away, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube and the world is changing.

I'm not sure I agree with that, though-- yes, paraphilias and autogynephilia will always be around, and yes, there will always be some very feminine men and some very masculine women. But the concept of transgender, itself, may well turn out to be a fad. History is littered with failed movements that no one talks about or remembers anymore because they weren't successful (except for the historians and nerds who talk about them, lol). The lobotomy movement in the early 1900s is one such example. It was widespread and massively impactful on culture at the time, and it's dead today.

edit: But I am all for extending compassion towards trans people and villainizing them. Most trans people seem desperate for support and for their mental health issues to go away, and cult-like ideologies (gender identity ideology, and this case) prey on the desperate.

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paraphilias and autogynephilia will always be around, and yes, there will always be some very feminine men and some very masculine women. But the concept of transgender, itself, may well turn out to be a fad.

Some trans activists do want to subsume feminine men and masculine women into transgender. However, I do not see any average person conceiving of the word as such. If I grab a random bloke off the street and say "transgender," they always take that to mean transsexual, because that is what the trans landscape is all about.

No problem with paraphilias, including AGP, but that is something you should try to do in your own time, in the private sphere of your life, with consenting, adult partners. Plenty of people with paraphilias have no problem pulling that off. If AGP, which it sometimes can do, becomes such an impediment to being a functioning person that medical and social transition, under the auspices of an informed clinician, is the correct palliative care, then so be it.

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you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube and the world is changing

Time will tell. I think adolescent-onset/ROGD will go out of fashion, and will be the first to go. Of course, there will be some new outlet to replace trans. But, if anything can go back into Pandora's box, it's this one.

HSTS never wanted this kind of attention; still doesn't.

That leaves AGP. I think it'll stop being out-and-proud, masquerading as a thing it is not, both to the people who have it and the rest of everyone else. It won't be going away, but if society no longer entertains it, no longer considers validating it, or bends over backwards for it, then AGP won't want to take it to the public sphere as much.

Trans only "came out" recently because the societal landscape was ready to "accept" trans. (Sarcasm: Thank you, gay rights movement.) That some degree of sufficient medical technology exists and is obtainable. The internet played a role, but it can play a new role educating freshly minted AGP and the general public about what AGP is.