DiscussionU.S. - Democratic wins in 2 Georgia Senate races, and what that means for LGB rights

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[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If it hasn't happened already, at the very least expect pro-nonbinary laws, bills and proposals that are inherently anti-intersex. For example "third sex" bills that add a new sex category, marketed towards nonbinary people but will inevitably used to discriminate against infants who have disorders, forcing them to be categorized as an "other" and making life hell for them.

Some places like the UK and Canada want to make "misgendering" a punishable hate crime (and I think Canada has already arrested people for it) so maybe that will come to America too.

And I suspect they will probably push for transgender and/or LGBT dogma to be taught in schools to children. I was never really pro-homeschooling, but if I was a parent right now in a pro-LGBT country I would refuse to send my kid into public school.

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Some places like the UK and Canada want to make "misgendering" a punishable hate crime (and I think Canada has already arrested people for it) so maybe that will come to America too."

Yep. I think that Democrats are going to look at Ontario's human rights policies regarding gender as a guide for what to do in the U.S.. Fortunately, the U.S. Constitution is a bit more robust than Canada's in protecting (supposedly) hateful speech, but there will be a large cultural battle over the issue nonetheless.

And I suspect they will probably push for transgender and/or LGBT dogma to be taught in schools to children. I was never really pro-homeschooling, but if I was a parent right now in a pro-LGBT country I would refuse to send my kid into public school.

I also suspect that Democrats will respond to this trend by trying to regulate homeschooling out of existence. On its face, a trend toward homeschooling can be taken to feed into their narrative of Republicans being proudly anti-scientific, anti-intellectual, etc.. Expect a few high-profile news stories of homeschooling parents who spend half of the schoolday teaching their kids young-Earth creationism, while ignoring all of the parents who have their 6th grade kids proficient in 9th-grade math due to the benefits of homeschooling.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I also suspect that Democrats will respond to this trend by trying to regulate homeschooling out of existence.

Oh, wow, now that's an interesting prediction. "They're all religious fundamentalists!" I'll keep an eye out for that kind of argument, thanks.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this prediction sounds about as likely as the claims that Obama was going to take everyone's guns. I haven't yet heard a Democrat be anti-homeschooling categorically. Happy to read credible sources to the contrary. Just don't see how this would happen or why, when we have so many better things to do, there would be a focus on caring about this.

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are a couple of subtle ways in which I hedged my prediction: 1) it's predicated on the homeschooling rate drastically increasing (e.g. to 15%) 2) they're not actually going to try to ban homeschooling--just regulate it out of existence. This is the same legal strategy that the pro-life/anti-abortion movement is currently engaged in, so there is precedent for this prediction.

I'm almost certain that this wouldn't actually happen during the first term of a Biden/Harris administration. Most likely, the only role the Biden/Harris administration would play, at least in its first term, would be to cement gender ideology into the public school system. It wouldn't be until a few years after until the homeschooling movement gained a lot of steam, and it would be another couple of years after that before Democrats took notice and ramped up the anti-homeschooling rhetoric.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welp, I guess we will have to wait and see. (Ugh.)

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not that I think it's going to happen, it's that I think it's likely to be talked about more.

I haven't yet heard a Democrat be anti-homeschooling categorically.

I have heard a lot of disdain for it, but, again, not heard anyone express that it ought to be outright banned. In particular, I have met quite a few people who dismiss homeschoolers as being mostly religious fundamentalists who indoctrinate their kids into cultlike religions. Most of these people I've heard express that are anti-religion, though, so YMMV.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Indeed. I'm rather mixed on homeschooling because it can go either way, and I'm biased because I was technically homeschooled (or... home at school?) basically being indoctrinated into religion and being shut away from the outside world, which I believe contributed to social issues, a lack of attachment to people, trust issues and even my sexuality. But that doesn't mean it's bad all the time, and it certainly doesn't mean that regular school is always good.

I wonder, if they ban homeschooling, will they go any lengths to make school more tolerable and less stressful for children? A lot of kids experience severe stress and depression due to expectations, grades, and the sheer amount of time they spend there. And what about things like food, are they going to make sure they can actually take care of all these kids too? Will there be any regulation as to what can be taught or will they just start indoctrinating them into post-modernist, intangible identity politics?

[–]mvmlego 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder, if they ban homeschooling, will they go any lengths to make school more tolerable and less stressful for children?

The two-bit economist in me says "no". If competitors (i.e. alternatives to public school) are stifled, then there's a much weaker incentive for the remaining provider to improve.

I agree that bad homeschooling can lead to many problems for the homeschooled child, great or small. I really don't know how to address this issue. Conceivably, private schools could provide an alternative to the potential incompetence or indoctrination of both public schools and homeshooling.

Unfortunately, due to the cost of private schools, the only way that most parents would be able to afford that is with vouchers or some other sort of subsidy. Of course, if the government is cracking down on homeschooling, then it would probably have no qualms about attaching strings that make the private schools as bad as the public schools. It really is a mess.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For example "third sex" bills that add a new sex category, marketed towards nonbinary people but will inevitably used to discriminate against infants who have disorders, forcing them to be categorized as an "other" and making life hell for them.

That's fucked up, and I completely agree, something like that seems likely to happen.

so maybe that will come to America too.

That is one of the few things here that I think there will be a lot of pushback on, because at least a segment of conservatives are against it on grounds of free speech (not because they are LGB allies necessarily).

And I suspect they will probably push for transgender and/or LGBT dogma to be taught in schools to children. I was never really pro-homeschooling, but if I was a parent right now in a pro-LGBT country I would refuse to send my kid into public school.

Good point. I've read a little about this happening in Canada, but not about it in the US.