What's is this spectrum?

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[–]MyLongestJourney 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

"how gay or straight you are."

What?Kinsey scale does not measure how gay or straight you are,it mentions homosexuals,heterosexuals and bisexuals with various degrees of sexual attraction to the two sexes. It is rather accurate and the fact that there is a tiny fragment of people with mixed secondary sexual characteristics,does not invalidate it. And yes,there are "intersex" people (people with disorders of the sexual development) but most of them externally present as one of the two sexes.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Then again, it's a pretty piss poor scale if 95% of that scale is supposedly a black and white label. If people believe that "pure straight" "pure gay" and "bisexual" are the only 3 choices, then there's no need for a "scale." If they believe in other choices, then the scale should reflect that. It's conradictory.

Also, I'm intersex, don't pull this shit on me. I am not a third sex. This is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that some of us don't fit into neat boxes of "100% gay" or "100% straight" or bisexual. Some of us fail the kinsey scale (not even kidding, it gave me a ?) and some of us also are "technically gay" or whatever but also have entirely different experiences to your average gay/straight/bi person. I failed the kinsey scale not because I'm not gay, but because it doesn't factor in people who don't experience much in the way of real, directed attraction towards a real person. It cannot distinguish between "Penises arouse me" and "I have actually been sexually attracted to specific men in my life", but there is a big difference.

[–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Some of us fail the kinsey scale (not even kidding, it gave me a ?)

Are you talking about an online test? The original Kinsey scale was just a one-item rating on a 0 to 6 scale. There is no "question mark" result for the Kinsey scale, although I have seen online tests give those. About the scale: https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/publications/kinsey-scale.php

That said, it is not considered a great tool for research anymore because it is just one question.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If I recall it gave either a number, an X (for "asexual") or a question mark for people like me who "did it wrong", and it was multiple question. This must be partially true because there's a lot of "asexual" fuckwits bragging about being a "kinsey X" and how it makes them special.

[–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, that sounds like an online questionnaire, not the actual Kinsey scale.

This must be partially true because there's a lot of "asexual" fuckwits bragging about being a "kinsey X" and how it makes them special.

Lol, that's funny.

[–]Destresse🇨🇵 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also did that questionnaire years ago. I got an X 😂 I'm not asexual at all.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Like I said elsewhere in this post, the exception does not make the rule.

I recognize your intersexuality, and I'm not going to grill you on that. That would be rude beyond what you want to offer.

I understand not having a concrete locus to come from vis-a-vis Kinsey. Or any other instrument, for that matter. I know of no instrument that can capture intersex relations vs non-intersex.

That does not mean that the Kinsey model is bonkers because you break the mold; because you're the exception.

If you can propose a model that captures and categorizes the entire delineated phenomena of human sexuality, including intersex, you've got my undivided attention.

[–]MyLongestJourney 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Then again, it's a pretty piss poor scale if 95% of that scale is supposedly a black and white label. If people believe that "pure straight" "pure gay" and "bisexual" are the only 3 choices, then there's no need for a "scale." If they believe in other choices, then the scale should reflect that. It's conradictory.

I really fail to see your logic here.

Also, I'm intersex, don't pull this shit on me. I am not a third sex. This is not what I'm saying.

Opressed_Reptilian,I am a Biologist. The third sex bullshit irk me to no end. You wouldn't catch me dead spewing this crap.

I'm saying that some of us don't fit into neat boxes of "100% gay" or "100% straight" or bisexual.

There are only two sexes therefore I fail to see the logic behind that.

re "technically gay" or whatever but also have entirely different experiences to your average gay/straight/bi person.

Many people experimented for various reasons. But in the end you are either heterosexual,bisexual,or homosexual.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really fail to see your logic here.

The logic is this.

  1. The majority of the users on this sub think there's only 3, sometimes 4, sexualities. Gay, straight, bisexual, and sometimes asexual. They don't believe in variations and apparently any other variation is "TQ nonsense." They oppose the idea that sexuality is a "spectrum."

  2. Enter the Kinsey scale, which is a "spectrum", and even has points like "incidentally heterosexual", which is something this sub has got it's collective underwear in a twist in the past.

  3. People like you saying that the Kinsey scale is not a scale, but just a demonstration of "gay, bisexual, and straight." If only the far ends are gay/straight and ALL the other numbers are simply "bisexual", what is the point of it being a scale? Why bother believing in a scale if you just think that anyone who's ever been anything other than a "gold star" gay/lesbian or a 100% heterosexual is automatically bisexual, and a bisexual person is bisexual and all the same regardless of their experience and personal attraction? What purpose does it serve?

There are only two sexes therefore I fail to see the logic behind that.

Right, but not everyone is entirely attracted to one, both,or neither of those sexes. Those sexes can also have physical variations in appearance and hormones.

I'm only turned on by penises, but I'm far from "being attracted to men" considering I have not met a single real man I have honestly been attracted to. Not to mention, being intersex and looking androgynous makes attraction fucky anyway. There are people who sincerely believe I'm "like a girl" or am an entirely new sex and thus can't be straight/gay. Which is ridiculous, but on the other hand, it kinda is different to be attracted to an androgynous person if you're not into "typical" males/females, right?

Opressed_Reptilian,I am a Biologist. The third sex bullshit irk me to no end. You wouldn't catch me dead spewing this crap.

I wasn't aware of this; and a lot of people claiming to be biologists perpetuate the "third sex" myth anyway, so, that's not really relevant...?

Many people experimented for various reasons. But in the end you are either heterosexual,bisexual,or homosexual.

Okay, so, if I told you that I was "theoretically gay", but was never attracted to a real male, only penises but couldn't stand the thought of being with any man I've ever seen, either real life or photos, and that I desire to be with women NOT because I am sexually attracted to them, but because a female partner is what I believe would be the ONLY partner I'd be emotionally comfortable and safe with, then what? What do you call that?

Because it sure as hell isn't "just homosexual" because I can't relate to 99% of gay men, and like I said, have never been into a real man ever. But I'm also not heterosexual because I've never been sexually attracted to a female.

Sexuality has variations. There are outliers. It is a biological process and biology is often flawed. Just as sometimes someone's development can go wrong and you get some kind of weird androgynous looking person like me instead of a normal masculine male, people's sexualities can also be all over the place for a variety of reasons, reasons people don't fully understand because of scientific limitations AND culture making it taboo and "homophobic" to research the cause.

Sexuality isn't an innate magical thing like people seem to think "gender identity" is. It's not perfect, nor will it ever be. Outliers exist and I see no reason we should have to capitulate to extremely simplified boxes for the sake of woke activism, nor should we have to lie and say "why yes, I am a 100% gay homosexual who is totally into all the men!" if we are not. There's nothing wrong with variations, and admitting that there are variations does not mean that you support gender identity, "queer theory" or any of that nonsense.