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[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's missing the point that glory holes are a stupid idea to begin with. A woman isn't even the worst thing you could get from one of those. There's more potential for disease and germs than a petri dish.

[–]GarageCar 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

But what's worse or better is subjective. To you, diseases can be worse than being assaulted and raped by a woman. But in my view, a gay man getting a woman in a glory hole is worse than him getting those diseases you are talking about. The STDs and STIs can be cured, and even in cases where they can not be cured, one can use medication to at least reduce the symptoms of the diseases. And if they are too poor to afford the medication, then in my view, going to the grave is still way better than being raped, and being fed the lie that a "trans man is a man", because those lead to gay men hiding their true authentic selves to do it with a woman. That's conversion therapy, which can result in psychological pain by reinforcing damaging and homophobic attitudes.

Gay men can't undo or reduce the symptoms of a woman taking advantage of the glory holes and sexually assaulting and raping them by making them think they are doing it with a man eventhough they are doing it with a woman. "Trans men" are women, them going to glory holes and doing it with gay men without the gay men knowing they are doing it with women and not men is rape by deception. It is very disrespectful for a woman to obtain the "agreement" of a gay man to engage in dating and/or sleeping with her, and they are doing it by means like brainwashing gay men to think these women are men, it shows a woman's complete lack of respect for the sexual attraction of gay men towards other men, and their boundaries.

In my view, being raped is far worse than getting a disease.

In someone else's view, both being raped and getting a disease can be as bad as each other. And in your view, getting a disease is worse than being raped.

You see, this is subjective. And if a gay man believes him being raped by these women is far worse than him getting those diseases in glory holes, then you should respect that.

It's not up to you to ban glory holes just because you're scared of getting diseases, because unlike you, there are gay men who want to go in there, and are fine with the risks of diseases and are not scared of them like you are. You don't get to ban the place they want to go to just because of a fear you have.

What all gay men (doesn't matter if they are fine with risk of diseases or not) definitely don't want is doing it with women though. We're talking about gay men, not bisexual men who call themselves gay and do it with a woman but say they are gay.

Even for bisexual men, them not knowing they are doing it with women, and not men in the glory holes, is rape by deception. So what should be banned is "trans men". "Trans men" should not be allowed in gay men spaces. Just like "trans women" should not be allowed in our gay women spaces.

Even if the issue of rape by deception didn't exist, gay men spaces are supposed to be spaces for men to date and/or do it with other men. Women are excluded by definition, and should be banned from going to gay men spaces. Even if the gay men space is a glory hole. Not the glory hole itself.

If a man wants to date and/or do it with a woman, then he should go to all these other places that are there for straight/bi people to date and/or do it with the opposite sex. Not gay men spaces that are supposed to be for men to date and/or do it with the same sex. If a man goes to gay men spaces to date and/or do it with a woman then he is violating the spaces of gay men by having a woman in there, and as a result disrespecting gay men.

[–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Have you ever seen glory holes or been to public sex areas or sex clubs for bisexual and gay men? Women do not go there. Yes there may be TV or cross dressers but they are not women and are not trans.

[–]GarageCar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If no "trans man" ever goes to glory holes and public sex areas for bisexual and gay men then that's good. All I was saying is if "trans men" ever want to go to these gay men only spaces, they should not be allowed to and should be forbidden to enter such spaces because "trans men" are women, followed by an explanation (e.g. being required to show id, or being frisked by the employees or the police to make sure they are not women trying to get in there, just like how the police in airports, etc frisk people and run their hands along their outer garments to detect any concealed weapons).

The same processes (being required to show id, or being frisked by the employees or the police) should be done to forbid "trans women" from entering the spaces of gay women, because "trans women" are men.

But I doubt that no "trans man" ever goes to public sex areas or clubs for bisexual and gay men. They have multiple times said they go to gay bars, and even work there: https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/70sren/working_at_a_gay_bar/

There have been "trans men" invading gay men saunas and even demanding they apologize for not letting a woman in there: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/02/gay-sauna-criticised-telling-transgender-man-leave-female/

And not to forget, these women even go to the dating apps of gay men.

When these women have gone so far in invading the spaces of gay men, I doubt they stopped there and haven't tried to get into the glory holes and public sex areas for bisexual and gay men.

I've actually heard of gay men seeing "trans men" in their sex clubs. So I was explaining why that's something that shouldn't happen.