This is fantastic. Hopefully it will stop young kids transitioning due to trans-ideology and later regretting it. (Keira Bell case outcome)

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[–]reluctant_commenter 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Also-- I am? was? a huge fan of Ellen Page, and I'll admit I'm more than a little heartbroken to see her cave to pressure from liberal homophobes.

But, hey, we can welcome new role models, too. Thanks, Keira Bell. :)

[–]reluctant_commenter 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So glad to see this. She must be tough as nails to have gone through this whole process in such a landmark case.

My question is: How do we think this will influence the policies and rhetoric in other countries? I have a lot of hope that this will influence things for the better, but I also wonder if it might be a while before anti-transitioning sentiments really pick up steam.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope it will. I am not aware of what laws are used in the US to establish competence re minors consenting to medical interventions, but in other commonwealth countries this evaluation of the Gillick test could have a positive impact on the law— as it could form persuasive precedent (if it doesn't get overturned in the UK supreme court). I'm crossing my fingers this will help anyway. Affirming care especially for children as pushed by the trans lobby is so harmful and honestly makes me sick.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 10 insightful - 9 fun10 insightful - 8 fun11 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

Anything which upsets mermaids is probably a good ruling lol...

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Here is an article discussing some of the implications: https://www.nova.ie/huge-implications-for-irish-kids-and-hse-following-landmark-keira-bell-tavistock-case-190068/ I'll have to have a closer read of the judgement later tonight

[–]fuck_reddit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm kinda shocked by the way they talk about consent in the UK. I'm not an expert on consent in the U.S., but you basically can't consent to anything legal or medical until the age of 18. Everything has to be done with parent's/ guardian's knowledge and approval. Kinda disturbing to see judges talking about how it is "highly unlikely" that 13 year old's can give consent to puberty blockers (with the implication that some small number could).

[–]Movellon 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Consent is governed by Gillick competence and The Fraiser Guidelines (for contraception) in the UK.

This is a good resource to explain it: https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/child-protection-system/gillick-competence-fraser-guidelines#heading-top

Basically, it's contextual and has several elements that influence when and if a child can give informed consent. The court case was about how Gillick can be applied in the case of Puberty blockers.

[–]freshpeaker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

with the implication that some small number could

That's not the implication at all. It's just the kind of flowery language used in British courts, that's all. Basically means it's impossible to give informed consent at that age.

[–]fuck_reddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok. That's more comforting. I hoped that was the case.