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[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 43 insightful - 2 fun43 insightful - 1 fun44 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

And the transman character later pressures him into sex acts that he is incredibly uncomfortable with... And the audience applauds this in the name of “progress”. I loved this show and stopped watching after this.

Also- wouldn’t she totally be a “dude with a vagina”?

[–]insta 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Shameless has been bad for years now.

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It was always overrated. I watched the pilot and it made me physically ill to see them try to rationalize pederasty.

[–]lostinreverieMy ovaries are transphobic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That show is a mockery of the original UK version. I couldn’t stand it before, but this just makes it even worse.

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US version is from the same studio who enabled Kirk fucking Cameron to have a career with Growing Pains. From homophobia to homophobia.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Um what?! They actually show that happening? That happens after the linked scene?

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yeah. The character is named Trevor and she’s basically lgbtumblr in human form, which is annoying already. She pressures Ian (the redhead, a main character) to let her top and Ian doesn’t want to. Ian is a top. They show his relationships often in the show and he is always a top. Trevor is pre op, and before Ian meets the character he tries to have sex with a woman and is entirely turned off and says he’s definitely not into it. But trevor pushes and makes him feel like he’s being closed minded and stuff like that until he gives in. And instead of showing what would’ve realistically happened- Ian enjoys it and continues to bottom for her (they may do both I can’t remember I try to block it out lol).

There’s also that scene that looks like a TRA PSA where all of Trevor’s (mostly straight if I recall) friends have to “educate” Ian about there random ass identities. I can’t tell if the show is serious, pandering, or making fun of them.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Why it is never straight man, who started dating with pre-op TW and TW got him from behind and he enjoyed it?

It is always gays or lesbians, who are ending up with TW or TM.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think because trans people know that straight people aren't buying anything they're selling, but LGB people are expected to be 'tolerant' of this nonsense because we 'know what it's like' or some shit.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or because if they will do that to white straight men, their movement will end up really soon, so they are bullying ones who are weaker than them.

[–]8bitgay 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If you say to straight men/women "you have do date trans people or else you're kicked out of LGBT spaces", they'll say "fine, bye".

If you say the same to gay men/lesbian women, there are chances they'll accept the idea (or at least say they accept it) out of fear of losing some of the few spaces they have.

It works with LGB because they got into our spaces, our events, our circles, and then started kicking us out.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well, "or you will be fired from job and banned from social media" can work for straight people too.

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is more of a threat to gays because we literally can't have anything without the T leeching off of us like the parasites they are.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is, but I mean in general, why all "T allies" in media, who are not T themselves - are either transing gays or making homosexual people date T of opposite sex? For the same reason that in Iran? Good road going, Stonewall.

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So they can be just as homophobic as fundamentalist Christians without actually being one and while still maintaining the illusion of progressiveness.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even if it wasn't super shitty to portray a character who only wants to top as giving in to a demand to do something he's not comfortable with, dildoes and strapons are still way different from a real dick. I'm verse but prefer to bottom, and I wouldn't be satisfied with just toys, honestly.

I hope that in the near future people see how wrong this stuff was and call it out. I wonder how this got the ok to be made and aired, even today. It seems surreal.

Also does anyone know if the actors are actually gay, trans, etc? Just curious is all - I have no problem with straight people playing gay characters, but I do wonder if that plays a part in this... thing existing.

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t know if the actor who plays Ian is really gay or not, but the actor playing the transman is really a tif

[–]Lesbianese 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't know if it happens directly after but here are some gifs from it

https://elliots-fletchlings.tumblr.com/post/152752273226/

Archive because I'd hate if this eventually got scrubbed from the internet:

https://archive.vn/z41VC

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I clicked on the Tumblr and what is with female transmen and non-binaries who have had double mastectomies using shirtless profile photos. I see it so frequently on dating apps and it freaks me out each time. Also, why are they in my pool if they think they’re not women?!

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also, why are they in my pool if they think they’re not women?!

They can 'not be women' until it's convenient to be a woman. Having one's cake and eating it too.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well I for one will not be eating their cake. I like confident women, not non-women.

[–]Rubyredpython 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This!

[–]just_lesbian_things 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see it so frequently on dating apps and it freaks me out each time. Also, why are they in my pool if they think they’re not women?!

Yeah I don't know why female trans people would try to match with me on dating apps. I clearly state on my profile that I'm a lesbian. Doesn't that invalidate their identity? It's so frustrating that there's zero internal consistency in the trans movement. I never bothered matching with any of them to ask, but maybe I should have.

[–]Rubyredpython 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's cause no matter how hard they try, they're still homosexual. We can change words, change meanings, but it won't change the reality of sexual attraction. They're lesbians in denial.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Also- wouldn’t she totally be a “dude with a vagina”?

She would be a woman.

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know lol. I meant don’t they always talk about how we can’t know what genitals someone has and that men can have vaginas and women can have penises? So according to what tras keep saying, she would indeed have been considered a “dude with a vagina” based on her own ideology.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, I'm following you now.