ColonizationThe invasion of LGBTIQXYZWTF by pre-teens is complete

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[–]Cuppatea 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I guarantee that’s a young woman commenting. So many women start their opinions with “I’m sorry, but...” I’ve seen it a million times. Women have been conditioned since birth to not state their opinions.

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I’ve never heard of this or seen it happen before. Some of the most opinionated (not in a bad way) people I’ve ever met are women. Who is conditioning them?

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Societal expectations are conditioning them. Women apologizing more on average than men, using neutral words to turn down an offer instead of clearly negative ones, and favoring other self-effacing word choice, is one of the most consistent findings in linguistics research. Keep in mind that these are averages, though. A woman on average apologizes more than a man. There are tons of individual women who are much more opinionated than the average.

Here's a paper about it in context of online communication, if you're curious: https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED345552

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In this context it's a hazy link at best. People have different personality types and those may naturally occur in women more than men but I don't see how it's 'conditioning'. I've always apologied to people more than I should and let people walk over me in the past and I'm a dude. But I recognise it as a flaw in me I need to work on, it's not society's fault I turned out the way I did.

Here's a paper about it in context of online communication, if you're curious: https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED345552

The study only shows relatively minor discrepencies between males and females and given it's 30 years old I don't know how relevant it is today.

i'm really sorry if i have offended anyone but, what's the gender/sexuality with the flower on the flag?

For examples ike this though I think it's more indicative of how easily upset the radical trans activists are and how often they treat innocuous questions as an attack on them or their 'identity'.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People have different personality types and those may naturally occur in women more than men but I don't see how it's 'conditioning'.

That is getting into the whole nature vs. nurture (conditioning being a significant part of that) debate. My opinion is that it's probably some of both, but regardless of what is causing it, the effect is there. Anecdotally, I have a couple male friends IRL who are the same way, apologizing for everything, but I know dozens, at least, of female friends who do for each one of them. I feel you though, I am also an over-apologizer, haha.

If I have the time tomorrow I'll find some more good examples. The study I linked is old, yes-- this phenomenon has been studied for a while, and more recent papers tend to branch out from past findings, citing the old papers.

Minor note as well, newer statistical methods are often able to extract more information from datasets than methods used in the 1980s and demonstrate more robust effect sizes (higher correlation between gender and frequency of apologizing, in this case). I wouldn't be surprised if the effect seen today is stronger. I can provide sources on that much quicker; my training is in statistics, not linguistics unfortunately lol.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup, absolutely. Wouldn't be surprised at all.

[–]FemaleIsntAFeeling 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a woman, I will say that this can also just become a force of habit and a speech pattern, not necessarily an actual sentiment. I use "Sorry, but" the same way someone might use "Excuse me" to interject into a conversation.

It maybe sets a bad precedent, but some speech habits are hard to break. ..though, granted, I don't think that's what's happening in that thread, I think the transcult has legitimately made these people afraid to speak up, since any dissent is considered transphobic hate speech, but still, just wanted to throw in my two cents.