DiscussionBeing associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down.

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[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

So some GC feminists and Rad fems hate women or gay men, and therefore all rad fems and GC feminists are to be discarded?

Where did I say that?

The world is not black & white, nor are people, nor are organizations

I agree. Unfortunately there are many people in this thread who seem to disagree.

so I would suggest find allies wherever you can no matter what you call them or what they call themselves.

That has been my position throughout this entire post.

I'll just summarize where I am at.

  • LGBdroptheT needs more allies.
  • I would love it if GC and the non-GC'ers could just put aside their differences, and get along.
  • I have asked the non-GC OP what constructive actions we could take to address the criticisms she brought up, and she seems uninterested in finding a solution.
  • While trying to get a better sense of the relationship between GC and non-GC-- that is, asking people questions-- I used the word "misandry", which I did not realize was a loaded term, and a GC commenter suggested I was an MRA ally and a "handmaiden".

Apart from a few lovely individuals who I learned some things from, most people do not seem interested in having a constructive conversation on this subject.

You seemed cool when we talked before. If you genuinely want to talk about this stuff more, feel free to DM me, but I am done trying to engage with people here on this topic.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do appreciate the dialogue with you very much, and dialogue is the only way we will go forward.

The reason I am on these subs is because LGB and women's rights are very methodically being attacked worldwide by sinister forces (as I just typed to you in another response) and LGB and women have been allies in the past and have to be now, because NUMBERS. We need all hands on deck.

In my experience of feminism, going back to the 1970s, there were women who were "misandrists" and some, if not most, of their anger was justifiable, especially back then. But most women in the women's movement were just concerned about getting rights so that they could have the same opportunities as men to determine their own lives.

My suggestion to everyone who cares about our rights - and, in the US, by changing the definition of "sex" to include "gender identity" Trans, Inc. is taking both women and LGB rights away in one fell swoop - is to get past the fringe members, get past the insults (I know that's hard, especially if the insults are personal) and get on with saving our rights.

We are in the fight of our lives. Again, we need all hands on deck.

And really, as a woman who grew up back when women really had to fight for basic rights, it's important that we each find inner strength to get past hurdles and insults, because the next few decades are going to rough no matter what, and we each will need all the backbone we can get.

Again, thanks for the respectful dialogue. Thanks to the mods and SAIDIT too!