Do you think that "nonbinary" is valid?

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[–]indeepshadowsBi woman 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Other people have made great arguments I agree with already, so I'll just say that I don't believe in nonbinary at all.

As for why people flock to validate these individuals on their identities, I think most people are driven by their desire to be kind and not make others feel uncomfortable. Even when they don't really understand what exactly it is they're supporting. Kindness is admirable, but can be misguided. I'm not sure these people who are quick to support without questioning are the kind that tend to scrutinise their own thoughts and principles overmuch. Or maybe they just don't really care about these things.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They are driven by mental short-cuts. “The people I usually agree with on X things believe this and say that, so that is the ‘right’ position for me to have that fits in with my values. I can trust what these people are saying and I can’t trust what those other people are saying because even when it sounds like they make sense, it’s really a dog whistle and they have nefarious intent. And who does it hurt to be more inclusive?”

And the underlying values are inclusivity as its own end goal and being open-minded about things that challenge established norms. Because how can you be too inclusive? Who does it hurt? I see this all the time but they don’t actually want to know the answer. It’s rhetorical. They don’t believe you when you walk them through the logical conclusion even though the answer is women, gays and bisexuals, trans people with actual gender dysphoria, and everyone really because gender is destructive even as to men.

[–]indeepshadowsBi woman 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, I've seen this a lot, too. Identity politics also encourage people to accept the "most oppressed" people as the ones who know the truth, so when a LGBT POC with disabilities says nonbinaries are valid, you can't argue unless you want to be painted a racist transphobe.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep I think the discussion “Is Intersectionality a Religion?” that is available on YouTube made this clear. I originally learned about intersectionality in an academic context in law school in which it made perfect sense. It was exactly the context where the concept is relevant. But it has been bastardized and weaponized and the result is that it has incentivized people to take on ridiculous identities to control public discourse let alone to have a seat at the table. And it is causing the left (of which I am otherwise a part) to discard and throw under the bus the groups that make up what should be its political base in favor of the next most oppressed group ever, at least in America. Working class -> black people -> women -> gays -> trans/non-binary -> ?