LGB ErasureJust Say No to Umbrella-Terming ("LGBTQ+" and "Queer")

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[–]Ko-hi 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Speaking as an asexual ally, yes we want to be included. There's too many people who question whether we are a legitimate sexual orientation and whether the question of gay rights concerns us.

As asexual I have 0 attraction for either gender, but my piping works fine and I'm not sex-repulsed or whatever stereotype of asexuality is popular, I just don't feel attraction. In practice my life will look very similar to that of a shy bisexual, I don't have a preference but I also don't like feeling lonely, I could end up with either gender.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm concerned with Lesbian and Gay rights. I may be sympathetic to other sex and gender-diverse people, but their struggles are not mine and I've got more than enough on my plate. Asexual pride is not Gay pride. Gay pride is not Trans pride. And so on.

It's foolish to think that a single liberation movement can effectively represent anybody and everybody who feels oppressed, regardless of reason! You can spread advocacy so thin that there's no substance left, just a lot of empty posturing. Today's "queer" activists don't seem to understand that; or maybe empty posturing was all they ever intended?

To anybody who's got a taste for loaded alphabet soup, I say "bon apetit." In fact, you can have my serving. Eat 'til it hurts!

[–]Ko-hi 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Let's put it this way, the main difference between us and bisexuals is that we have sex or marry for reasons unrelated to attraction. The concept is so muddled that I did think I was bisexual for 15 years.

I'm not saying you need to include us in LG advocacy, just that we do want to be included in the wider LGBTQ+ label and that we really are a legitimate sexual orientation.

I'm here aren't I? That means I support the LGB moniker for issues that specifically affect LGB people.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It means that you're an ally. That doesn't mean our liberation movement should be your liberation movement, too!

As for inclusion in the acronym, it's a moot point because the current leadership of the movement have included you (or at least they claim to represent you). I and others who think as I do have rejected that leadership, and I think I can safely say we're in the process of creating a movement that's faithful to the original goals of Gay Rights activists. We're not interested in creating another Pride bandwagon that everybody can jump on.

I'm sorry if you feel that we've ostracized you; understand that it's because our life experiences are so different. (BTW, sex and marriage relates to physical attraction for ALL of us, including Bisexual men and women!) Why worry about that, though? You've got that nice, warm bowl of loaded alphabet soup to satisfy your hunger for inclusion. And if the time comes when that potluck meal fails to satisfy, there's always the option of starting a discrete Asexual Rights movement.

[–]Ko-hi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not sure why the rant because this is exactly what I said too. We want to included in wider LGBT+ community, the alphabet soup as you put it (where A is often replaced by "ally", yay) and I respect your need for a separate label.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As an asexual I can only express that I truly hate to be grouped with that trans and non-binary stuff. I wish our group was completely separated and distant from that infinite genders stuff.

Seeing ace subs on Reddit there isn't a lot trans agenda thankfully but whenever there are activist groups raising awareness for asexuality it's always grouped with trans and quirky n-by stuff...

[–]Ko-hi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah but I hate it even more when people say the A stands for ally

[–]KCStuffedAnimal[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No ranting here. Just awareness that there's no such thing as an "LGBT+" community. It takes more to make a community than throwing a bunch of people together who have little or nothing in common. Without their permission, I might add. What makes you believe you can speak for all asexual folk in this matter? I would never claim to speak for all Gay men, much less Lesbians and Bisexual folk.