DiscussionHow should LGB actually go about dropping the T(Q+)?

submitted by PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust from self.LGBDropTheT

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[–]artetolife 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I agree with you. Most aspects of gender are useless and could easily be done away with, this was a focus for LGB people until the current wave of trans people came along and decided that gender roles were cool again. Even the "enbies" who think they're breaking sex-based stereotypes are actually perpetuating them, because there's no such thing as non-binary unless you assume that everyone else fits neatly into the binary (which they don't). But this group is a broad church, there are a lot of people arguing from the "traditional conservative values" perspective who probably balk at the idea of gender abolitionism.

[–]zeusdx1118 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most aspects of gender are useless and could easily be done away with, this was a focus for LGB people until the current wave of trans people came along and decided that gender roles were cool again. Even the "enbies" who think they're breaking sex-based stereotypes are actually perpetuating them

That's exactly what's happening. I'm so glad there are other people who see this though. I came here because I'm sick of the crowds of people I know who mindlessly feed into it out of a personal bias to do so, who don't see the flaws and what's wrong with it. I think there's an order to things though, and the priority #1 (Separating ourselves) should always be the first objective. even though we often discuss things which occur around that subject.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But this group is a broad church, there are a lot of people arguing from the "traditional conservative values" perspective who probably balk at the idea of gender abolitionism.

Yes, this is exactly my concern about just going full-steam-ahead on the gender-free approach.

So I've been thinking... perhaps, rather than serving as the foundation of LGB's argument, gender-abolition should figure in more as a logical implication thereof. Like this:

The foundation: asserting our identity. Who we are: what makes us LGB in the first place. And that's same-sex attraction. Meaning: our own biological sex + the biological sex of those to whom we are attracted = LGB. Thus, being LGB is inherently ABOUT biological sex; the two are inextricably linked.

It follows, then, that, with respect to LGB, "gender" is: A.] at best irrelevant; B.] at worst actively homophobic/biphobic, insofar as it undermines the very concept of biological sex.

So, by logical deduction: 1.] TQ+ doesn't belong in LGB; 2.] gender itself is often antithetical to very existence of LGB.

Constructing our strategy in this way has the virtue of retaining the opposition to gender, but making that conditional on a premise with which I think we can all agree.

How does this reformulation sound?