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[–]TheBeefBenson 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Surely you acknowledge there were civilisations that existed before the US? And that is still conscription for the majority of the US history as a formal nation. Conscription of men to fight has existed for ever...it was just conscription with a lower case c, It didn't exist in a legal framework because there was no legal framework for serfs.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nope, conscription was introduced in 1795 in France. Before that, nations could not mobilize their entire male populations. They just had armies of 10-20,000 or so and that was it. But with conscription, France had a much more powerful army and almost unified Europe 200 years before the EU Maastrict treaty.

If you mean peasant levies, those were scraped up from the nearest villages and were of negligible military worth. They changed the result of no battle ever, and if you know of one I'm intensely curious to investigate.

[–]TheBeefBenson 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was indeed referring to any kind of situation whereby men were enlisted to fight against their will. But I don't see how the military worth of peasant levies is relevant to the discussion at all.

[–]fuck_reddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not entirely true, militias of the adult male population existed in England as early as the 1500s if I remember correctly. And all the way back in the 1300s, King Edward III required all adult men to regularly practice the use of the welsh longbow, because English peasants would be conscripted for service on the Continent. This came into effect BECAUSE of the need to circumvent the feudal prohibition on vassal levies serving in the military for more than two months at a time. What the French did was universal conscription. That accompanied a sort of total-war and nationalization of warfare that also came about at the time. Armies of over a hundred thousand were put to the field for years on end a century before Napoleon (especially in the war of Spanish Succession).