Hello, I was banned from Reddit for saying that men cannot get pregnant on a thread about pregnancy tests so now I am here. Ideally, I am hoping this is a place that looks just like Reddit, but also allows you to state that men cannot get pregnant in an evidence-based, non-hateful manner.

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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Most people don't qualify whether they're cis or trans in day to day life.

And that's fine, because it's personal.

[–]Dontcaretoday 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I wouldn't expect anyone to do that in day to day life. It's public conversation where the difference should be acknowledged. Pregnant men are not a thing and it's stupid to act like it is.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I wouldn't expect anyone to do that in day to day life. It's public conversation where the difference should be acknowledged.

Most people don't qualify whether they're cis or trans in public conversations. And that's fine, because it's personal.

pregnant men are not a thing

It's not even novel now.

https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/everything-pregnancy/transgender-man-gives-birth-to-healthy-baby-talks-navigating/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/20/the-dad-who-gave-birth-pregnant-trans-freddy-mcconnell

https://www.today.com/health/thomas-beatie-reflects-his-fame-pregnant-man-t223681

and it's stupid to act like it is.

There's sound reasons why we use the definition of "man" that we do. I do get that you don't like that definition, but surely you understand the argument?

So why do you call it "stupid"?

[–]Dontcaretoday 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It's stupid because men do not have uteruses lol. Most people will call you what you want to be polite, but no one that isn't a gender zealot truly believes otherwise. I think trans people should be free to live their lives in whatever way makes them happy, but it is getting pretty ridiculous when we have to pretend that men as a general demographic can get pregnant.

Redefining the word "man" to make it meaningless in its traditional sense won't magically make people believe that it's any different. Trans men can still live as they please and don't have to tell anyone they are biologically female without changing the word "man" into a description of a feeling instead of a physical state of being.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

It's stupid because men do not have uteruses lol.

You understand that the difference is your definition of "men" right?

Not whether or not they have "uteruses lol".

Most people will call you what you want to be polite, but no one that isn't a gender zealot truly believes otherwise.

If most of the world is a "gender zealot", maybe it's you. Have you tried not caring if someone presents as a male? It's not obvious why it matters.

Redefining the word "man" to make it meaningless in its traditional sense won't magically make people believe that it's any different.

It's not meaningless. It's just using the label to reflect a slightly different thing. The overlap is 99.5% of adults.

Trans men can still live as they please and don't have to tell anyone they are biologically female without changing the word "man" into a description of a feeling instead of a physical state of being.

Don't worry about it. Being able to call themselves "men" helps with their health and well-being. So we allow that use of the word, because it doesn't matter to anyone else.

[–]Dontcaretoday 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

That isn't my personal definition of the word man, it is THE definition.

If you think most of the world thinks that being a man is just a state of mind you are spending way too much time online.

I don't care if someone presents as male. I don't care if they call themselves men.

The line is where we are expected to change our perception of reality to something that is false, like saying men can give birth. They cannot. Trans men can give birth. There is a difference between a man and a trans man and that's ok. Most of the time in real life it doesn't matter and we don't need to acknowledge whether someone is trans or not, but that does not change the fact that only biological females can get pregnant and the rest of the world shouldn't have to pretend men in general can get pregnant just because some people don't like it.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

That isn't my personal definition of the word man, it is THE definition.

The OED has 80 definitions for "man".

Claiming that there's one that is THE definition is ignorant of how language works.

The line is where we are expected to change our perception of reality to something that is false, like saying men can give birth. They cannot. Trans men can give birth.

"Men" as it is commonly used can include trans men. Don't worry about it.

but that does not change the fact that only biological females can get pregnant

That's not a sensible place to draw your line. Uterus transplants have allowed women to become pregnant. It will be soon (if it hasn't happened) that a trans woman will get pregnant.

the world shouldn't have to pretend men in general can get pregnant

We're not pretending men in general can get pregnant. Only some men.

just because some people don't like it.

Don't worry about it.

[–]Dontcaretoday 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

A lot of these responses are just being pedantic.

Yes, there are multiple definitions of the word man. In this conversation the one is question was man vs woman. The man is a male human, woman is female human, some people want to change the word man in this context to include female humans now

The line was not specifically birth in particular, it was physical differences between what makes someone male and what makes someone female. Giving birth is a very obvious one that was used an an example. Males having surgically assisted births with transplanted uteruses does not make them more feminine, if anything it calls out how non female they really are that this is the extreme intervention needed for them to simulate naturally occuring functions of a normal women's body. Also, sterile women do not prove this to be untrue. They are the exception and have a medical disorder.

I don't mind trans people existing and doing their things, but I don't want to follow their religion of faith on why anyone can be a man and anyone can be a woman either. I would be happy to ignore it and not worry about it, but it has been taking over lately and even questioning it gets you banned from speaking. Trying to force people to be pro trans by suppression is just making them more anti trans than if the trans people just adopted a live and let live stance themselves.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The man is the male human is a fine definition. A lot of people use the word man to mean a cis or trans man. Don't worry about it. Words take on extra meanings or change meanings most evenings.

I don't agree that the women who've had a uterus transplant are non-female.

Trans women are an exception too, and have a medical disorder.

Being trans isn't a religion of faith.

It's just people making some personal decisions that don't affect you.

Don't worry about being pro or anti trans. Just don't rape or murder people for being trans, or watch anyone get bullied and not speak up.

[–]Dontcaretoday 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I wasn't suggesting that biological women who have had a uterus transplant are non-female. I was saying a trans woman with a uterus transplant would still be non female.

Trans is a mental disorder not a medical disorder. Their bodies function perfectly well, it's their brain that feels like it's wrong. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't still be treated with respect though, or be prevented from transitioning if they are adults and feel like it is the best way for them to find inner peace.

Trans ideology is like a religion because it you don't follow their views without question you get treated like a heretic and pursued. That does affect me if I say something like how trans women shouldn't be involved in women's sports or that it's ridiculous to change terms like "breast feeding" into "chest feeding" because some people don't like being reminded that they have breasts. You should not have to worry about losing your job for saying sex matters in some situations or suggesting that they sometimes push to have personal desires to prioritized over other peoples wants and needs and that their should be balance, but here we are.

I have no interest in treating trans people badly as individuals, they're just people too. I don't like trans activism because of how it is often unreasonable in its expectations for how biological sex should be ignored in situations where it matters and because of how aggressive they get towards anyone who questions them on it. That does effect other people and it is one of the main reasons people are taking issue with it.

I'm not worried about it, I just think their representation needs to be less aggressive and that they should accept logical restrictions like male bodied people not playing women's sports and not medically transitioning teenagers who are at an age where they are still figuring themselves out.