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[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The article starts out with the author admitting:

I am a woman in my mid-20s, and I do not know anything about my reproductive health.

Then a few heartbeats later she says:

With that in mind, I will be freezing my eggs. Why would a woman in her mid-20s be freezing her eggs? Because I want to be proactive about my reproductive health.

I suggest this young woman learn more about her reproductive health and the technologies she is putting her blind faith in before she takes the drastic action she says she's committed to.

She seems unaware of what "freezing my eggs" actually entails and all the health risks involved, risks that can include infertility, chronic pain and death. Women who freeze their eggs take dodgy heavy-duty drugs by injection to cause their ovaries to hyperstimulate. Then they must undergo painful, invasive medical procedures for the eggs to be extracted.

Equally important: a woman's eggs that are frozen and later thawed rarely result in conception, much less a successful pregnancy and live birth of a baby. The assisted repro technology industry has had some success with using frozen embryos to bring about successful pregnancies and births. But frozen gametes - not so much. Or rather, not at all.

IMO, encouraging young women to go down the route this author seems intent on is akin to telling young women that the best way to deal with misogyny is to claim you are male, take T and get a double mastectomy .

[–]censorshipment 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

Those paintings triggered the fuck out of my tokophobia (fear of pregnancy). I noticed as a little girl that pregnancy and childbirth were awful. I knew I'd never be a mother when I was 2 years old because I didn't want to go through what my mother went through during her second pregnancy.

All girls have to do is PAY ATTENTION to the women around them. Observe pregnant women and mothers... take notes of how awful they look and feel. We don't need formal education about reproduction... we only need our damn eyes and brains. The best education is in the household and in your relatives' households. Watch how pregnant women are mistreated/abused by men. Promise yourself to never go through that.

Stay away from dicks in order to prevent pregnancies. Keep guys away from your pussy at all costs!

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Sorry, censorshipment, but your negative, condemnatory views of pregnant women, mothers, pregnancy and childbirth come across to me as prejudiced and insulting.

In your view, pregnancy and childbirth are inherently "awful" and all pregnant women and mothers look and feel "awful" too.

Sounds like misogyny to me.

[–]censorshipment 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I'm aware, but this view really helped me never fuck a guy because of my fear of being pregnant and feeling like shit. 🤷

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's your choice never to fuck a guy and to avoid pregnancy and childbirth. I support you wholeheartedly in this. What I object to is the way you have slagged off all girls and women who have been pregnant and given birth as looking and feeling awful. This is not just body shaming, it's body shaming of female people for being female and partaking of the female role in human reproduction.

A large number of girls and women in the world who become pregnant do so by rape or coercive sex. So in your snooty dissing of all girls and women for going through the processes of pregnancy and childbirth that disgust and frighten you, you are slagging off victims of male sex crimes and abuse.

The way you have characterized pregnancy and childbirth as inherently "awful" and all girls and women who have had these experiences as looking and feeling "awful" is misogynistic.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I refuse to shill pregnancy to you, because that's your choice. Why do you fear pregnancy itself though, if you don't mind me asking?

[–]censorshipment 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I literally said why... when I was 2, my mom was pregnant with my sis. She looked and felt awful. Every pregnant woman around me did. They whined and complained and got fat for months. As a little girl, who was given dolls to become a mommy-in-training and refused to play with them, I observed and realized pregnancy is awful and detrimental to women. And of course, motherhood is an awful continuation of pregnancy... so it has never made sense to me.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are representing the impressions you formed when you were 2, and the observations and you made "as a little girl," as authoritative, informed views of human pregnancy and childbirth on an adult forum.

I had many mistaken ideas as a kid too. Some of them were comic, such as my impression that sins caused tooth cavities. Doesn't mean there's any justification whatsoever for me to post my peculiar childhood views on social media many years later as though they are the gospel truth.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This is slightly related, but have you encountered any data showing that the way that we handle morning sickness might be heritable?

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Do you mean is pregnancy nausea itself heritable? Or "the way that we handle" it?

BTW, I refuse to use the term "morning sickness." For many women, the nausea that pregnancy brings occurs at other times, or is round the clock.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The way that the body handles pregnancy n&v, I suppose.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I still don't get what you are asking for. When you say "the way that the body handles pregnancy n&v," I wonder: what is the model for "the body" that you have in mind?

You seem to be assuming that there is a universal norm for "the (female pregnant) body" unaffected by such factors as age, pre-existing health status, weight, place of origin, religion, current residence, the way each pregnancy came about, race, ethnicity, age, economic status...

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My bad. I read the main thread several hours ago and only just saw the more recent comments under subscribed comments.

Thank you for explaining.

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    [–]soundsituation[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Please don't drag down discussion on the pyramid of debate.

    [–]emptiedriver 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    so any person with an interest in continuing the species is either an idiot or intentionally cruel? Is that something we can solve or should we end the human race?