Challenging gender "education": where do you even begin?

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[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The general idea is not that the actual raw number of transgender people has changed, just that the number of people who are feeling comfortable enough to be open / out and accepting treatment is increasing.

If this were the case, then we'd see female humans coming out as trans across all age groups like we see amongst males. But that's not happening.

Nearly all the females identifying as trans nowadays are teenagers and young women in their 20s. Moreover, the numbers of girls & young women seeking treatment at gender clinics has skyrocketed in the past decade. In the UK, for example, the number of girls under 18 seeking help for "gender dypshoria" increased by more than 4,400% since 2009.

If greater tolerance were the factor here, then in recent years a large cohort of middle-aged, senior and elderly women, including heterosexual mothers and grans, would have announced they are transmen on a scale equivalent to - or at least approaching - the huge number of heterosexual dads and grand dads who've announced they are transwomen. But, in fact, there are no female counterparts to the vast number of straight middle-aged and older fathers who've declared that they are women in recent years like Caitlyn Jenner, Jennifer Pritzker, Rachel Levine, Zoey Tur, Debbie Hayton, India Willoughby, Jennifer Finney Boylan and the thousands more like them.

Despite the climate of greater tolerance - indeed, of celebration - hardly any women have come out as trans in middle-age or later, in fact. And the very few that have, like Masha Gessen, are lesbians, not heterosexuals like the bulk of the males in and past middle age.

[–]RationalNeutral 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't understand how that correlation exists in your mind when historically the MtF transgender has been far more stigmatized than the FtM transgender. If not, quite regularly, the FtM transgender population gets almost entirely ignored because it is inconvenient for much of the propaganda that specifically attacks MtF transgender people in order to attack the transgender population as a whole.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

historically the MtF transgender has been far more stigmatized than the FtM transgender.

In the 1960s MtF super celebrities like Christine Jorgensen and Candy Darling were stigmatized? World famous MtFs who "transitioned" in the 1970s like Jan Morris and Renee Richards were stigmatized? Really? I recall that all those persons were lionized. The press fawned over them. Morris and Richards in particular only gained social cachet and clout from becoming trans. Like Dave Thomas of the UK, a has-been noted snob & misogynistic journalist whose work no one was interested in anymore announced at 62 that he was really a woman, and suddenly the new writing assignments and publishing contracts came pouring in: voila, a weekly autobiographical feature-length column in the Sunday Telegraph documenting his "transition," and a book deal too. Plus, he's now doing fashion shoots. For women's mags. Stigmatized my ass.

the FtM transgender population gets almost entirely ignored because it is inconvenient for much of the propaganda that specifically attacks MtF transgender people in order to attack the transgender population as a whole.

Nah, mate, those of us who are women and feminists are not the ones who ignore TIFs. Most of us know quite a few personally, and know of others. Many of us have daughters, grand daughters, nieces, students, neighbors, acquaintances who are TIFs - or were. Many of the younger women here have friends, siblings, school mates, ex-lovers who are TIFs, or were.

"Trans allies" and TIMs are the ones who ignore TIFs, and a main reason is sexism and male supremacy. In the new social hierarchy, TIMs are top dog, the new sacred caste. Men don't lose their superior status when they go trans. Today, many gain status, becoming vaunted and praiseworthy just by donning a dress and mimicking the most superficial and sexist sex stereotypes.

TIFs only get attention from TRAs, TIMs and all the trans allies in the MSM and establishment circles when TIFs have babies & lobby for anti-woman policies (Freddie McConnell), when they serve as handmaidens for TIMs (Chase Strangio of the ACLU, for example, suing & lobbying for the right of males to get into girls/women's sports, women's shelters, women's prisons, women's loos), or they can be used as stalking horses (Gavin Grimm) and the proverbial thin wedge to make way for males invading female spaces.

the propaganda that specifically attacks MtF transgender people in order to attack the transgender population as a whole.

Women are defending the rights, sports, spaces, services and programs we fought hard for, and many of which we built from the ground up with no help from government & business. No women's rights advocate has ever assaulted a TIM. Though many TIMs have assaulted & raped women (and children), and some have even killed women. Women standing up for ourselves and our rights is not an attack on you personally or transgender persons. Pointing out the many conflicts between the demands of trans activists and the rights of women/girls and the safeguarding of children/the vulnerable is not the same as attacking people.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting.