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[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What an F-ing tool.

Maybe a month of so ago, I had a discussion about whether Dawkins was GC or not with someone on this sub because she thought that Dawkins was obviously GC given that he's a FUCKING evolutionary biologist and atheist, and I remembered that I had seen something that led me to believe that Dawkins is not GC.

Yesterday, I found the old Tweet that led me to believe that Dawkins is not GC - turns out I was right. FUCKING TOOL.

https://twitter.com/TAFKAMacM/status/1380943742945869826/photo/1

[–]supersmokio6420 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That was me. I would point out that that tweet is from the RDFRS, his society, not him. Although it bears his name its its own organization with staff and he won't be the one tweeting from that account. The phrasing doesn't sound like his writing and as you've pointed out, he's also endorsed a GC book. So I'd put that down as someone made a poor choice in hiring at the Foundation rather than suggesting anything about Dawkins' views.

My take on this tweet is look at it at face value:

I do not intend to disparage trans people. I see that my academic “Discuss” question has been misconstrued as such and I deplore this.

He clearly didn't intend to, and he's far from the first person to get attacked for asking questions and trying to have a discussion.

It was also not my intent to ally in any way with Republican bigots in US now exploiting this issue.

This is the narrative that's presented, headlines about "Republican Anti-Trans Bills" and such. Its a common TRA attack - "you're just conservative/bigots/etc", even though that isn't the intent of GC people. So its a true statement.

What it suggests to me is that he doesn't know about GC as a 'thing'. He's baffled/bemused by the hostility of the response to his first tweet, and trying to issue reassurances that his question didn't come from a place of bigotry, assuming - as many have before - that honest questions will be well received.

I'd almost describe as like the moment when someone is pre-Peak Trans, except without ever having been acquainted with the Trans side first.

Its obviously unfortunate that that's what he chose to say. But I'd have to put it down to simply ignorance of the situation, not malice or having been taking in by unscientific arguments.

[–]anfd 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This would be my take as well. I don't really understand the disappointment in him in this thread, I think he's got a relatively narrow focus yet he weighs in on many things where he should take more time to get familiar with the context. That he's not some GC paragon should be no surprise. He's just a basic liberal guy (in the European sense) with a Twitter account who is heavy on science, evidence and atheism.

In the 2015 he tweeted, when he was defending Germaine Greer's right to speak at the university of Cardiff:

Is trans woman a woman? Purely semantic. If you define by chromosomes, no. If by self-identification, yes. I call her "she" out of courtesy.

So ontologically he's got the GC line right. Also TRAs seemed to know which side he was on:

Richard Dawkins Insults Transgender Community

Richard Dawkins 'Claims' Trans Women Aren't Real By Defintion And These Are The Reasons Why He's Wrong

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never though Dawkins would be a feminist hero or anything like that, but given his background I'd have though he would be alarmed because of all the anti-scientific stances of TRAs. That is why I was so disappointed.