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[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Can you link to the video where Heather Heying, as you say, "wasn't having it"? I'd like to watch it.

BTW, from watching Heather and her husband Bret have their taped convos, has anyone else gotten the impression that Heather is the smarter one of the two? That's the sense I get. Also, she's a much more effective communicator - he seems simply to like to hear the sound of his own voice, and often uses a whole lot of words without actually saying all that much of merit or substance. I know I'm wordy, too, LOL, but at least I try to put a lot of content in my long-winded posts - and to provide links to further information as well. Plus no one has to hear my voice, which is definitely not among my best features.

[–]Oof_Too_Humid 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Here you go: https://youtu.be/MQvobuU8MN4?t=3511
The only reason why I caught the clip was because they spoke about it on a subsequent show - they explained that when they were discussing it, they hadn't realized it was an old incident. I'm sensing that Heather is getting more & more pissed about the trans shit. It makes sense that she would be more concerned about it than Bret because hey- it affects us women more. We're more likely to get it.
I wouldn't say one is smarter than the other---they're just different. I would say that I love seeing them when they're getting along especially well. I like to see an old married couple act all flirty and in love. It's sweet.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you! And I imagine your impression of Bret and Heather's comparative intelligence is probably more accurate than mine is, or was. I think I was perhaps jumping to a conclusion coz I've seen/heard Bret talk a lot more than Heather. After all, since the Evergreen story broke, he's done tons more interviews and lectures on the social-political aspects of what's been happening in our culture than she has, and he's also been the one to give televised testimony in the US Congress and before legislators/regulators in Washington state. Also, in all the footage documenting what happened at Evergreen, Bret features prominently, but Heather is unseen - due, I believe, to her being on sabbatical or some other kind of leave that semester. It's only since they Heather and Bret starting doing their videos on YT together and the videos have been getting big play that the larger world has begun to get an opportunity to hear her speak as well.

Also, I do think you are right on the money when you say that it seems Heather

is getting more & more pissed about the trans shit.

BTW, I remember seeing that story about the middle-aged exhibitionist man using the female locker room at the Evergreen pool when it first came out. It's appalling that it was the schoolgirls who got forced to use alternate, sub-par facilities so this man could be allowed to prance around the female locker room and lounge in the sauna flashing his dick and balls.

Also, I strongly disagree with Bret's claim that "the onus is not on (the TIM naked in the female locker room) to figure out how to navigate this" coz the onus is entirely on the institution. Yes, in these cases there's an onus on institutions to issue clear, fair rules. But there's also an onus on the individual males involved in the efforts to dismantle longstanding institutional rules put in place for the safety, dignity, privacy and mental wellbeing of female people and to replace them with new rules that prioritize and pander to males with sexual fetishes and claimed "identity" issues.

Every grown man and boy beyond the toilet-training stage knows that it's inappropriate and unacceptable for males to be exposing their dicks and balls and leering at the bodies of girls and women who are naked or undressing in locker rooms and saunas. It's because it's inappropriate and unacceptable that boys and men like this "Colleen" dickhead get off on doing it! Decent males who have respect for girls and women don't engage in this type of behavior.

Plus, Bret is ignoring that most/nearly all the people who have always made the rules at/for all our institutions in society have themselves been male - and now mostly male decision-making bodies (legislatures, school boards, courts, college administrations, etc) are changing the rules to favor other males. (Although sadly, today these males are doing this with the approval and encouragement of some females, such as Nancy Pelosi and all the Democratic women behind the misnomered US "Equality Act" and women like Ilhan Omar, Billie Jean King and Megan Rapinoe who are pushing for the end of female sports and female athletes having locker rooms and showers that exclude males.)

Finally, at the end of the clip, Bret further claims that again, "the object of our ire" should not be directed at any individual man who uses the claim of being "trans" in order to engage in sexually abusive behavior and to ride roughshod over the rights of girls and women. Rather, Brett says, "the object of our ire" should be on the ideology of sex self-ID that the trans movement is based on. Brett seems hellbent on overlooking and obscuring the fact that individuals are at the heart of all institutions, ideologies, groups, movements, legislatures and governments.

IMO, Brett is bending over backwards not to hold any individual members of his own sex accountable for any of the awful things that many men are doing, and are being allowed to get away with, in the name of "trans."