Joe Biden Tweets Transgender Remembrance

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[–]MarkTwainiac 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I am very sorry for what you've been through. But who sent you "to be cured of lesbianism"? Your family? Church/mosque? School? Were you arrested, tried and convicted of lesbianism and sentenced to punishment for it under your country's laws?

I am not trying to diminish your suffering or the horrible nature of anti-homosexual laws. But being oppressed, picked on and sent for re-education by family, church/mosque is not the same as being "outlawed" by state criminal codes and systems of jurisprudence. Things that are prohibited, taboo, scorned, looked down upon, considered sinful in various cultures are not necessarily "unlawful" by those culture's/society's criminal codes.

Of course in some countries like Iran, it seems one thing leads to another, and it can be hard to entangle which came first. But long before the founding of the Islamic Republic of Iran in 1979, homophobia was inherent in Persian and Arabic society and in Islam. Yet these prejudices were mostly enforced by cultural rather than exclusively legal means.

[–]ColoredTwice 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know, but not parents for sure, and church was banned as well, so not them either. Most likely it were my doctors, before I became a lab mouse to others. I was a minor, so most likely either it would be re-educational camp or my parents getting punishment, but my VSD condition "saved" me, as they just thought I am "not fully woman" or "less of a woman and a bit of a man", so tried to "cure" it with different means or to "guess" why I like other girls, started with pumping up me with estrogene and artificially inducing puberty to start, and later with re-assigning me to a boy and pumping with testosterone instead.

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My case was when a man came to my house and spend a night there. They just assumed I slept with him. I was already in list of "not good citizens", they had no info on me ever dating a woman, I was a loner and not "a man of collective", and I was already in re-educational camp during my school years for refusing communist ideas, so I was under suspicion. They were not able to find any evidence and I was only 18, so I only served 6 months of unpaid labour (and then sent to obligatory military). Next time they promised to put me in prison for years, if they suspect me sleeping with a man or doing any other anti-communist actions. However, it never happened, as USSR crashed and burned.

Interesting enough that female homosexuality was considered as "sexopathology" and was forced to be cured. Mostly by sending them to spychiatric asylums or making surgeries. Treatment was either with electroshocking women, or transing them into transmen with testosterone and surgeries. Homosexual men who were in prison few times for homosexuality were sending there too, and transing them into transwomen with obligatory surgeries. While male homosexuality was leading to either prison up to three years (or to 5, with special circumstances) or long unpaid labour. And "must be catch up doing it" is BS, as it was just assumed that you have sex (for obvious reasons - you are homosexual and live together) and that's it. If sentence was more than 1 year, than there was just doctors expertise, they were checking anus for "micro-tears" or for sperm signs.

In general homosexuality was seen as "moral degradation of lazy people, and capitalistic propaganda". It was believed that homosexuality just randomly appeared in lazy or greedy people, or in people who had too much heterosexual sex and "got tired of it". So it was learned experience in their eyes, and because of that it was prosecuted - so it not spread on other people like a disease.