SNL just called out JKR for a 2nd time and more undercutting of white women - 3rd week in a row

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[–]kwallio 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Black men actually did have the right to vote until the north abandoned the south and the south responded for with jim crow laws. So for about 10 years, black men had the franchise and women did not. You really seem to be invested in the idea that white women have power over black men and white woman are never fetishized for their race, when multiple women in the thread have said has happened to them. Either you are trolling or are so blind to misogyny you can't see it when its perpetrated by a black man.

[–]loveSloane 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I literally said so many times that I know some black men do fetishize white Women. I haven’t said shit in defense of any men. I said that I don’t think it’s wrong to call out fetishizing black men- black people being fetishized is a thing we talk about and get upset about (we being black people, not this sub) often- I should’ve known this wasn’t a safe space to discuss the issue. Everyone wants to argue- yet nobody can tell me why it’s wrong for white women who do actually fetishize black men to be called out? Why is that a problem? It’s not calling out all white women- its calling out the ones who reinforce racism in this particular way. The thing is, everyone wants to say that it’s not common- black people see it daily, it is common for us to encounter, it literally happens even to our children. And it should be talked about. That doesn’t mean that when we fetishize others it has to be ignored- but why am i not even allowed to mention when it happens to my race, when it relates to OP’s post, without it being flipped and dismissed rather than addressed?

And yes, I do believe that white people have power over black people. Which would, in some ways and some circumstances, mean that white women have power over black men. Are black men still stronger and still capable of harm? Absolutely. I never said this wasn’t the case. What I said was- White people, including women, have power over poc. I can’t believe this is disputed.

As for the voting- idk what history book you learned from but black votes being suppressed before the civil rights movement is common knowledge. There’s whole letters and speeches and arrest reports of black people being arrested for... trying to vote. But whatever.

[–]kwallio 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

You need to become more educated on reconstruction. There were black congressmen and even senators before jim crow was instituted. It did not last long but it did happen.

[–]loveSloane 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So you’re saying that because for a brief moment in history before Jim Crow, there were black congressmen and even senators, that that somehow makes the fact that after Jim Crow (and lets be real also before despite some holding office), black votes were legally suppressed irrelevant? That doesn’t really make sense to me. I’m aware of what you’re saying, was aware when I gave my first response to you, but considering that well into the 1960’s black people were still protesting for equal rights, including the right to vote and not have laws and policies in place to prevent them from voting- I don’t think this is a really compelling thing for you to point out. Sounds like you need to become more educated onJim Crow through the civil rights movement, as well as learning what was happening to the black people who weren’t congressmen and even senators pre Jim Crow.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but it sounds like you’re saying “white men allowed them to vote, so what if they took that right away from them afterwards” which is not a great argument

[–]kwallio 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

You said that white women were allowed to vote before black men and that is simply untrue.

[–]loveSloane 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So you are saying “white men gave them the right to vote, who cares that they took it away from them”. Got it. Thanks for clarifying. I guess you’re correct on a technicality and using that to ignore that ultimately, the small amount of time where black men were allowed to vote was stripped from them soon after and had to be fought for again well after women won the right to vote. If you want to ignore impact and history and just have a semantics argument, you should’ve said that before. There’s not really any point in going back and forth with you, you don’t care about the actual point of the discussion, you just want to be technically correct. Congratulations, I guess.

[–]lefterfield 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

you don’t care about the actual point of the discussion, you just want to be technically correct

ROFL. Fucking... pot. Kettle. Jesus Christ, you have NO self-awareness.

[–]loveSloane 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Lmao as if you do?

Why am I wasting my time on you lol

[–]lefterfield 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Because you want to be "technically correct" and you don't care about the discussion itself.

[–]loveSloane 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That’s not even true and it’s ignorant to say. If I didn’t care about the discussion I would have walked away from it and not elaborated and explained what I meant. You’re the one who just calls me a liar and a misogynist without answering my questions or even responding to what I actually say. You can’t even get past one specific topic of the conversation. This is a waste of time and I’m done. I should’ve known that white women wouldn’t listen to a poc about this topic. I’m done with this post- you read into what you want to read into it and that’s all you’ll do and it’s what white people usually do anyway. I’d rather expend my time and energy elsewhere. Someone else on a different thread told me that you won’t get it because you don’t want to. It’s obviously true.