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[–]loveSloane 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The thing is tho, why does this conversation have to be had in reverse? Particularly before we even had any conversation in the direction it started? That’s the type of stuff woc mean when we talk about “white feminism”. You don’t have to flip everything to make it about you and how you’re also a victim.

The discussion was “black men being fetishized by white women”. I say, “this oppressed group is fetishized by some of the people who oppress them” you say “sOMe oF tHe oPreSsEd pEopLe Do iT toO!!!” I never said they didn’t. I also, unlike you, understand why and understand that racism contributes to why some black men “do it too.” I’m not excusing them. They aren’t fetishizing you because they think you have a tighter vagina or because they think you’ll love them better- they do it because of the dynamics between white and black people, and being with a white woman can feel like approval or acceptance. It can feel like status. It can stem from self hatred. Because they’ve been taughtthat white women are the standard for women and that black women are too strong or less feminine. There’s so much behind it that you don’t seem to acknowledge. Is this true for white Women fetishizing black men? Or do they just think black men have big dicks and lots of stamina? Do you really not understand the difference? Like- my whole point is you’re calling out snl for mentioning something that actually does happen and your post came across as if you don’t think it does happen, or that it should be okay or not called out because females as a sex are oppressed. my point -my only point- is that black men being fetishized by white women is a thing that happens and it’s worth calling out when it does. You can absolutely talk about your experiences- your experience is not that of a black man being fetishized by a white woman so it wouldn’t have been relevant to what I was talking about. So, unless you’ve been either the black man being fetishized or the white woman fetishizing him, you haven’t been in this exact situation. So why the need to immediately reverse the conversation to the white woman being the victim of fetishizing? Why not actually address what I said? This is a thing that happens, it’s a thing that causes issues in my community, it’s a thing that contributes to racism and has an impact on dynamics between black men and black women and I’m glad that the white women who fetishize black men are being called out. There are repercussions and side effects of this fetish for black people of both sexes, are there for white people? What are they?

[–]lefterfield 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

First of all, this isn't my post. Second, I did acknowledge that what you said was happening by the use of the word 'also.' But knowing what I do of both men and women, and that the VAST majority of fetishistic behavior comes from men, I'm skeptical that it's more common for white women to fetishize black men than vice versa. As far as this skit, I don't understand it at all or why it's even supposed to be funny. I'm not sure I get it well enough to even call it out as offensive to white women... so all I did say was in response to you.

are there for white people?

I mean, rape. That's a thing that happens to white women that are fetishized by black men. It's not simple at all to say that white women oppress black men in all contexts. Black men are still men, white women are still women.

[–]loveSloane 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I’m sorry- are you saying that black men who fetishize white women are rapists? Are you saying that white women are usually raped by black men (who fetishize them)? Or are you saying that just as some white men rape women, some black men do? Because two of those would be racist to say and the other is irrelevant to what we are discussing. Some men rape women. Yes. Can you explain how black men fetishizing white women leads to this, directly? Can you link something showing us that black men who fetishize white women tend to rape them? Or are you throwing rape out there because you have no answer to the question I asked? I asked you how black men fetishizing white Women impacts the white community. I gave you examples (that I can expand upon if you still don’t get it) of how it impacts the black community, you... mentioned rape. That’s not an answer to what I asked. That’s you mentioning rape when I ask about something else entirely.

I understand that black men are still men, and a man of any race can be violent. I understand that white women are still women, and that they can be victims. I don’t really get how either of those truths has anything to do with that we are discussing, unless you think that black men are more likely to rape white women. Which, as far as I know, is not a thing.

[–]lefterfield 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Men are sometimes rapists. That's all I'm saying. If you want to get into more examples of how this fetishizing harms white women - the pressure to participate in racial porn. Being used for their appearance/race and being treated as an object to be acquired rather than a person. Same way that patriarchy harms all women. Stop firing off multiple questions when one would suffice, please.

[–]loveSloane 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

“Men are sometimes rapists.”

Of course. What does this have to do with the conversation we are having or the question I asked you?

“That's all I'm saying.”

Why are you saying it when we are talking about black men/white women fetishizing each other?

“If you want to get into more examples of how this fetishizing harms white women”

This wasn’t an example to begin with but go off

“the pressure to participate in racial porn.“

Are they pressured? Because before it was stated that they were encouraged not to. The whole reason “bbc” is a thing is because of th black man’s race- not the white woman. They do this with Asian and Latina porn actresses to. The fetish is still on the black man, not the women.

“Being used for their appearance/race and being treated as an object to be acquired rather than a person.”

I’m sorry- if the porn genre is “bbc” it sounds like the object to be acquired is the “bbc”. Which is attached to the black man, not the women. So in your example it’s the man’s race being exploited.

“Same way that patriarchy harms all women.”

As I said, you can be a victim of patriarchy and still be privileged because of your race. They are not mutually exclusive situations.

“Stop firing off multiple questions when one would suffice, please”

If you can’t keep up with the conversation you are obviously more than free to end it. It’s all relevant. If you can’t address it just admit that or walk away from it.

[–]lefterfield 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, fuck off. You're a troll.

[–]loveSloane 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How am I trolling? My comment count on this site as well as the things I said to you in our discussion would indicate that I’m not a troll just because we see things from a different POV

I don’t expect an answer, lol. I’m just shocked because I’ve never been accused of trolling before lol