It seems to me that the UK is full of more feminists who do not subscribe so fully to transgender ideology than is the US, is this true and why?

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[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Firstly, I agree with everything /u/BEB has said but I'll offer an across-the-pond perspective. Just to clarify, all opinions are my own, I don't claim to speak for Britain as a whole, and I mean no disrespect to Americans.

The healthcare is a big one that I think needs expanding upon. In the UK (although this trend is increasingly changing for the worse) we don't have as transactional a view of healthcare as I'm led to believe exists in the US. US doctors are essentially service providers, like Amazon or Walmart. You go to the doctor because you want a prescription for prozac / to become a woman / another prescription for opiates, and hey, since you're paying for this out of your own pocket, you, the customer, should get what you want, right?

Wrong. Since most healthcare here is free at the point of use you don't feel like a customer. Doctors aren't syringes for hire, they're highly trained professionals who are (ostensibly) there to get you healthy again, not line their own pockets, or anybody else's. However UK healthcare is becoming increasingly Americanised in recent years.

Secondly, and I'm just speaking from personal experience here, but almost the entire 'woke' thing is an American phenomenon that has spread outside the USA. Many (mostly older, mostly more conservative) British people have a healthy suspicion of 'American' customs and trends, especially ones like Trans Inc. which seem to run counter to common sense if given a few minutes of thought.

Black Friday, for instance, is another American import that doesn't really belong in the UK. The Friday after thanksgiving is only a thing if you actually have thanksgiving, otherwise, like Love Day, it is another cynical money-making gimmick. Though, this is true for Black Friday in the US as well.

Another thing to bear in mind is that Britain has had two female heads of government in the last ~30 years, and female heads of state on and off for centuries. While the monarch (now, at least) must remain politically neutral, it is worth remembering that, for large periods of history within living memory, the most powerful people in the country have been women. This isn't to say that all women are sensible in the face of gender nonsense, we know that's not true, but I think it's done something to the national consciousness that means certain women - like the prime minister - have to be listened to, whether you like them or not.

This isn't the case in the US. The US is and always has been a country run by men. When Hilary Clinton was in the presidential race in 2016 there was a certain amount of unironic asking of questions like 'Is America ready for a female president?' - the kind of headlines that would seem ~40 years out of date in the UK.

TL;DR though, I don't think it's necessarily UK women shouting louder than their American sisters, it's the UK public being less willing to put up with bullshit. Again, though, the 'American' predilection for ultra-progressive nonsense is spreading to the UK, especially among a younger generation.

[–]BEB 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I HATE the American influence on the rest of the world and am ashamed that Black Friday, that ode to crass consumerism, has been exported. And it does strike me as absurd since you don't have Thanksgiving. Which is, BTW, the BEST holiday one could ask for - no obligation to go to church, tons of food, family and friends - you should have imported Thanksgiving rather than Black Friday.

A lot of Americans, in the Red States especially, are not WOKE and deeply suspicious of it, which is one of the reasons we have Trump. And now the Intellectual Dark Web has sprung up, so a lot of liberals are pushing back on WOKE too. I think it's a load of nonsense, but I'm too old for Post-Modernism and Queer Theory.

Regarding women leaders, what people outside the US don't understand is that there is a very deep strain of sexism here, aided and abetted by both parties, but traditionally the domain of the Republicans. Which is why it's so ironic that it's the Democrats who are on track to erase women first.

A lot of people have company-subsidized health insurance in the US, but, in my own experience, even then you're paying through the teeth and usually have to pay a deductible before it kicks in. So, unless we bought a platinum plan through our company, and are therefore spending $$$ a month up front, we don't tend to go to the doctor on a whim, at least not anymore. And then an enormous amount of Americans are uninsured or under-insured, so don't go to the doctor unless it's an emergency, which is why they sometimes have to use the emergency room as primary care.

We have a craptastic healthcare system. And we are lied to about the effectiveness of "socialized" medicine in Europe. Why? Again, look at the lobbyists buying our politicians.

And again, Trump, even though he's a New York liberal masquerading as a conservative, was a reaction to WOKE. The Democrats have abandoned the working class in favor of WOKE so Trump and the GOP saw the opportunity and took it.

Most Democratic women are just too busy to do more than glance at the issues - they trust the party to have their back - so the Equality Act, if it's talked about at all, is couched in terms of LGBT rights, and Harris, Warren, H. Clinton, Feinstein, Pelosi, are all enthusiastically for it - so, being good little lifelong liberals, Democratic women assume it's good public policy.

I think if the Equality Act passes, it's going to still take a few years for a backlash, and again, it's going to have to be a very prominent and untouchable woman - like one of these young hip hop stars, or some very popular LGBT-ish male celebrity, speaking out, that will then give cover for young people to speak out, which will eventually cause a course correction.

But this is the US: if the Equality Act (or the Republican's Fairness For All ACT)is made into law, it's going to take a huge amount of money and effort to reverse it.

Which is why Americans need to speak out now.

[–]Huyhuy[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well American health insurance now pays for much of transitioning medical costs from puberty blockers to surgeries - but they still don’t pay for breast implants following mastectomies for breast cancer patients. So even with our crappy health care system, trans activism has been more successful in getting trans people’s health costs paid for than feminism has ever been for women.

[–]BEB 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know. It's crazy.

I had to jump through hoops with good insurance to get a test my doctor said was urgent (a woman's issue, of course) yet men who claim to have a disconnect between mind and body get to saunter in and get cosmetic surgery on demand.