you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]anxietyaccount8 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah, I used to feel quite insecure, literally as a teenage girl, for being too "vanilla". Fuck anybody who thinks sending that message to young girls is appropriate...

It's so funny, I've never heard of a young man feeling too vanilla for disliking femdom? Not even once. I wonder why that could be?

[–]BEB 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I feel like society is now doing its best to dis-empower young women very deliberately.

I think back to my high school years and even though we were in the thick of the early 1970s, and women still had to fight for basic rights, most girls were feistier than they are now. More sure of themselves in some more intrinsic way.

Maybe because for the last seven or eight years, girls in the US have been bombarded with "sex positivity'" at the same time biological sex is being deconstructed to seem to be meaningless.

I would hate to be young now; girls are being indoctrinated into a new kind of helplessness.

[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It used to be girls were taught/raised to have low self-esteem. Now it seems the world is conspiring to cause girls & young women to have no self-esteem. Girls and young women now are expected to embrace, enthusiastically participate in, celebrate and revel in their own degradation and disempowerment. And they are often the first ones to "call out," censure, shame and try to silence/censor anyone who points out what's happening and the tragic consequences of it. Especially if those doing the pointing out are older women, coz the prevailing ethos today isn't just thoroughly anti-female, it's also incredibly ageist against middle-aged & older women especially. And mothers, though that's the same as it ever was.

[–]our_team_is_winning 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the prevailing ethos today isn't just thoroughly anti-female, it's also incredibly ageist against middle-aged & older women especially.

Hear ye, hear ye! The era of photoshop and filters is the most youth-centric ever and I don't see any respect for the elders, who have more experience and have learned how things turn out. Some are aruging the voting age should be lowered to 16. The human brain isn't fully developed until 25.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wish I could like this comment a thousand times. The disempowerment is so cunningly hiding behind the "woke" veil that for many it is hard to distinguish what's actually progressive and what is truly regressive. The cult-like push for sex/porn-positivity and the simultaneously existing cancel culture are a match made in hell... A "movement" that essentially does nothing but make girls and women "want" to be kinky pornstars. If you disagree, you'll be shunned by the oh-so-accepting libfem crowd.

In years to come we'll see the true damage all of this will have caused. I hope at least some women will start opening their eyes before it's too late, and reject the pseudofeminism that libfems are touting.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think back to my high school years and even though we were in the thick of the early 1970s, and women still had to fight for basic rights, most girls were feistier than they are now. More sure of themselves in some more intrinsic way.

One of the differences is back then the importance of being "inner directed" rather than solely "outer directed" was widely accepted and seen as healthy for both sexes. Personality & strength of will were seen as coming from within, and even if we had low-self esteem, insecurities and body-image issues (as we all did), we all knew it was important to try to develop a core sense of self and self-worth that was stable and not subject to being constantly buffeted, shaken and possibly destroyed by the comments, glances, views, criticisms of other people (real, perceived or wholly imagined) - as well as by all the vagaries of life.

Moreover, back then there was a lot of emphasis on developing life skills and becoming competent in varied areas. And most of us had after-school jobs of all sorts from a pretty early age, so we learned the satisfaction of completing tasks, doing a job well done (even when they were menial tasks and the jobs were crappy), and of earning our own money and paying taxes and generally "making a contribution to the world." Plus, back then kids of both sexes tended to have so much more independence from an early age... which led us to having much more of a sense of mastery over our environment and seeing ourselves as full-fledged participants in the real-life world and members of society. Yes, girls & women were excluded, discriminated against, harassed, abused and at risk of physical assault simply for being female, but many of us still had more of a sense of belonging in the world and to our communities and an idea that we all had something to contribute.

Today, growing up for so many young people no longer seems to be about developing their unique personalities, learning a host of different and varied skills, becoming competent in many areas, earning money, being independent, standing on your own two feet, spreading your wings, making a real contribution, being of service, seizing the day, seeing the world and so on. For so many in the financially well-off West today, adolescence and early adulthood seems to be largely about acquiring and asserting a ready-made, stock "identity" or set of "identities" selected off a superstore shelf or picked from online catalogue, then donning all the surface trappings supposedly that go along with & prove that identity/ies - then expecting and demanding that everyone else in the world "recognize," "respect" and "validate" your identity/ies by constantly making approving noises and fawning over your fashion choices, hairstyle, body modifications, and all the labels you've chosen applied to yourself - along with giving you props for how well you walk in lockstep to the prevailing ideology and parrot all the "right" phrases and employ the accepted "arguments" ("you're denying trans people's existence!" "that's transphobic!" "you're a hater!" "intersex"...) Sadly, that's not a way to obtain a genuine sense of self-worth or happiness. And it sure doesn't amount to living an authentic life and being true to your deepest self.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My finger is pointed at the postmodernist "intellectuals" who first dreamed up the 3rd wave of feminism, and the emphasis on individuality and identity (while embracing misogynist religions and so on).

Since it started becoming more and more normalized, I begun seeing intersectional feminism for what it really was: bunch of BS. I don't think the people who were originally behind the movement had malicious intentions, however it seems pretty clear to me that this beautiful new ideology was invented in some upper-class university, where affluent "geniuses" thought they had solved all the problems of feminism and the entire world. Like it was some magic cure to everything. (More like snake oil, in my opinion.) In the meantime, e.g. working/lower class women were duly forgotten and pushed aside as uneducated morons. And when you're cast aside like a piece of trash, where would you turn to? Well, possibly to the opposite side.

Not sure if I'm making much sense here. :) But I do think that the rise of 3rd wave had a terrible impact on the U.S. presidential elections in 2016, for example. Someone smarter has probably already studied this. Will see if I actually manage to find out any interesting articles about the subject (hopefully from somewhere else than some super right-wing religious site that loves to blame all types of feminists of EVERYTHING.)