Men vs Women when it comes to biological children

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[–]squintypreyeyes 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well this isn't going to win me any friends but: I am antinatalist so I don't think anyone should breed.

The desire from men to breed is especially gross because it means they are okay with using their partner, who they ostensibly love, as a vessel to propagate their own genes. As a consequence the mother will almost certainly have pain and discomfort for roughly a year of her life (pregnancy and childbirth recovery) and risk some kind of long term health issue, whether that is lack of pelvic floor control or something more severe- even death. I don't know how these men live with themselves even when the woman is a willing participant, let alone if she is reluctant.

That said, if a man doesn't want to breed, it is extremely wrong to try to push it on him. He will have to support his pregnant partner and live with the knowledge that it is his fault that a new life has entered the world. I would not fault a man for leaving a relationship because he wanted to adopt but his partner wanted to breed. In fact, I would admire it, precisely because it would be so easy to capitulate in that scenario.

[–]TalkToTheVoid[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not an anti-natalist. Just decidedly childfree. I'd be happy to be your friend :) I do consider myself sort of contributing to the voluntary human extinction movement though. Maybe you've heard of it?

I agree, that if a man doesn't want to have children or use his sperm to create children, he shouldn't be pushed into it. No one should ever be coerced, tricked, or forced to participate in the creation of new human life.

I do believe that plenty of women are not put off by pregnancy. I'm horrified at the prospect of pregnancy, and growing up I thought everyone must be horrified and scared like I was. I also thought I had no choice and I would eventually have to be pregnant and have children, just like everyone else. Eventually I realized I didn't have to have kids, and in the process I found a lot of people want to and look forward to being pregnant, even when they know how hard it can be and the lasting impact it can have on their bodies. Confounds the crap outta me, but there it is.

[–]jelliknight 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the voluntary human extinction movement

Evolution has you in a bind, my dear. Even if all members of the movement ended their own genetic lines, all they'd be doing is selecting for humans with a stronger breeding instinct. In a few generations you'd have far more humans than if you'd all stayed in the gene pool.