Most people are sane

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I've been seeing a lot of posts highlighting the fact that the majority of people haven't completely lost it, and it's encouraging. So I figured I'd add my own recent small-ish experience.

I posted on facebook the other day about how happy I was seeing women review menstrual cups on youtube because it showed that the stigma surrounding periods and women discussing our vaginas was slowly decreasing. It got a decent handful of likes, even from my libfem "trans women are women" friends. Cue one of my nonbinary friends commenting that those videos are "too gendered" and only talk about women instead of everyone who menstruates.

Her comment got zero likes. Zero reactions. Zero replies.

No one was willing to engage with her bullshit and it was so refreshing. Even the main crusaders in the woke brigade weren't dumb enough to indulge her faux inclusive nonbinary nonsense because deep down they know statements like that are rooted in lies.

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[–]marmalade 58 insightful - 2 fun58 insightful - 1 fun59 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

People are getting very tired of kowtowing to a very small fraction of the poulation who hate them no matter what they do. Support for the LGB community has gone down all because of the T, and people are starting to realize yhat there is a difference between sexual minorities like lesbians and gay men and men who have a crossdressing and/or misogyny fetish.

[–]FluffyPotato 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Would be nice if people put their money where their mouths are, and to make sure laws which protect female spaces aren't stripped to back a kink of AGP. Bathrooms were segregated because males can't stop attacking females. I believe in part that was done at the time because females were seen as property in the US ( still are), and husbands got angry. I'm aware of other countries like Mexico separating men from women in transportation, and handing out a million rape whistles, because men rape women in Mexico at the rate they pee.

I want laws.

I want our protections back.

[–]our_team_is_winning 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's an approach I hadn't tried with friends, oddly. Ask them why women's bathrooms were segregated in the first place. What was the reason? And how has anything changed that we should have unisex now? Some like to tell me it works in France or wherever. I usually try "If women want to be away from men, isn't that their right?" And they tell me we're not ending sex-segregated bathrooms, we're just recognizing that TWAW. Uggh!

[–]BEB 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

From your lips to the US Democratic party's ears!!!!

[–]our_team_is_winning 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Not when Trans Demands are bankrolling them :( Do we have any money paper trail about that? After reading all that Arcus foundation stuff and how the other Trans groups give BIG donations with the provision the recipient sign on to the "inclusivity" crap -- I just assume Elizabeth Warren, for example, was bribed to tell us her pronouns.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I've started to report any encouragement of giving pronouns in intros at work to HR as homophobic dogwhistles. Rules of engagement learned.

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How are you able to convince them that homophobic isn't somehow "transphobic"? Do they make you explain? It seems so commonsense, but that's so rare now.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, you really have to go in and choose your words carefully. Cite numerous sources of TRA violence, the Cotton Ceiling, and just emphasize that you're not trying to caue problems, but that seeing that kind of indoctrination in the workplace gives you panic attacks - hint about flashbacks of "private religious homophobic trauma", or something else equally private-yet-grave that they have no right to inquire further into. As always, find other particularly gays/lesbians if possible to band together on this

[–]SameOldBS 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How do you put it across? Genuinely interested.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"This is a topic which I feel has marginalized and overtly attacked gay and lesbians people for both who they are and for their sexual orientation." (mention Cotton Ceiling, provide VERY clear references, mention that it makes you feel EXTREMELY unsafe)

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I know two people who've dealt with Elizabeth Warren (but one a number of hears ago) who say she's a sweet person, and the one from a number of years ago also said that Warren was surprisingly naive.

So Warren maybe just has not taken the time to parse gender ideology and has just gone with the flow - because the transgender activists so successfully grafted themselves to LGB, she might have figured it's all one harmless ideology.

That's my charitable interpretation. My other theory is that Warren, like apparently many other Democrats, received big money from Trans, Inc. That's probably more likely.

[–]OrangeFirefly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sure Elizabeth Warren is just naïve. However, this really isn't good enough. People in public office with the power to influence laws need to take the time to understand the arguments on both sides and grasp what changing the law will mean. Naïvete is a terrible trait in a would-be President.

[–]luckystar 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I live in a major coastal US city and I know sooo many people who literally think this is just "the new gay marriage". These are the same people who pin #BLM to their profile despite having no black friends, they say "BIPOC" even though nearly all the black people I know just want to be called black, they write "Latinx" even though actual Latin Americans don't use that term. Point is they mean well and think they're doing the right thing, but don't actually have much face to face experience with anything outside their bubble. These are the same people who were shocked when Trump won (I admit I was one of them!) because we literally did not know a single Trump voter.

They have NO IDEA all the stuff that is going on with gender ideology. They literally just parrot "trans women are women" because it's slotted into the default List of Progressive Values and nothing in their everyday life is going to directly challenge that.

There's also something to be said for the fact that the public generally has a good image of HSTS transsexuals, which is what everyone thinks of when they hear "trans woman". So they don't see the problem with what appears like basically extremely effeminate gay men being grouped together w/women.
The fact that men with AGP fetishes are capitalizing on this isn't really well understood yet by the public. A lot of people still think all trans women like men even.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent post.

What you describe your liberal friends doing is exactly what my liberal friends do. They 're just too busy to analyze the issues - they can barely keep up with the news - so just sign on to "the default List of Progressive Values." (LOVE THAT TERM!!!) Transgender activists, before almost any of us were aware, have managed to have "transwomen are women" deeply embedded on that list.

The good thing about most of my liberal friends is they get the dangers of gender ideology when I explain it.

Although Democratic politicians staff don't - you can throw facts and figures until you're blue in the face at the offices of Democratic politicians and all you'll get in response are, "Well, that's YOUR opinion. Congressman Bozo's opinion is that transgender rights are human rights and the law should protect them against any kind of discrimination... BLAH BLAH BLAH."

And then I point out AGAIN that transgenders do have bathrooms and locker rooms and athletic competitions available to them, but allowing them to COLONIZE women's actively endangers women and leads to a loss of opportunities for women. But the Democrats are immune to sanity on this issue.

Oddly, with my conservative friends I barely have to explain the gender ideology issue - they don't have to be convinced that letting ANY man into spaces where women are naked or otherwise vulnerable is extremely dangerous to women.

That's why I call it the "Flat-Earthism of the Left" but I will happily change that to the "Flat-Earthism of the Democrats."

[–]jelliknight 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

And the people who do go along with it are often so easily converted. Regarding the law change in victoria (allowing any man to self ID as a female with only a statutory declaration) one of my friends posted "what's the big deal? It's not like it affects you, GET OVER IT!" or something along those lines, so i replied with a list of "ways this change affects you" and that's all it took to take her from the height of trans inclusion to the peak of radfem mountain. One comment of the top of my head. Even the people who most vocally support gender really just haven't thought about it much.

I too love menstrual cup review videos and have found them really useful. One of my favorite channels was a quite young woman (late teens i think) comparatively reviewing the different cups in such a frank way that even I was startled. It's just so unusual, but so refreshing.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They really are. A friend of mine was on the JKR bashing train like everyone else and she admitted she hadn't actually read JKR's tweets. All I had to do was say something along the lines of 'if you read what she said, all she said is that the lived experience of trans women is different from natal women, and that the experience of growing up female is unique to natal women. She also said that lesbians and gays shouldn't be called transphobic for not wanting to sleep with a trans person, as sexual orientation is based on sex, not gender presentation.'

That was all it took for her to like my comment.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

An effecive way to fight back would be to organize a coalition to change their own ID gender markers as often as the office will allow in order to clog up the system and force the legislature to acknowledge the impracticality (and frankly, the lie).

[–]jelliknight 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. I'll change mine every 12 months just to show how fucking stupid it is.

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"what's the big deal? It's not like it affects you, GET OVER IT!" or something along those lines, so i replied with a list of "ways this change affects you" and that's all it took to take her from the height of trans inclusion to the peak of radfem mountain.

Wow I am impressed. Wish you'd been there with me when I lost two long-time female friends, one of whom argued I should have to prove I'm a woman to enter the bathroom then.

[–]threefingersam 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My friends are like this. They likely gave little thought about the implications of the trans movement before hopping on that train.

[–]BEB 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also think that many people have an aversion to being told what to think, especially if it flies in the face of innate logic.

We all know that only the People-Formerly-Referred-To-As-Women bleed. At a certain point, people get fed up at speech-policing basic truths, but what I'm scared of is that the backlash will be partially against women, because 3rd Wave feminists were the drivers, in terms of the populace, of TWAW.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. It always gets a hollow chuckle out of me when I see TRAs claim that most people agree with them. They don't understand how most people know what the difference between male and female is and that women get the short end of the stick worldwide. Many TRA allies don't fully understand what they're supporting. Start explaining the reality of what TRAs are fighting for as well as their demands and and watch as people peak in real time.

[–]Seahorse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeh, people have just developed a way to avoid TRA.

I speak to people (strangers at work etc) about this, even some who are woke af and deep into the queer cult and when I bring up anything about trans they immediately stiffen, their tone changes and most don't use the preferred pronouns.

The only person I've spoken to who isn't visibly uncomfortable talking about ANYTHING to do with trans is a surprise surprise lefty white male.

Trust nobody believes their bullshit, they're treated like attention seeking drama queens, people avoid doing anything that will rock the boat for their own peace and quiet.