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[–]just_lesbian_things 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

However, I will hold women who openly throw their children into the fire for the sake of being a handmaiden accountable

You're so brave, standing up against all these imaginary feminists who refuse to hold women responsible for anything. A real revolutionary. 🙌🙌🙌🙌

I've had TOO many female family members with children taken away from them for picking literal sex offenders instead of taking care of their children

Wow, you got the PoS gene running in your family or something? Dayum.

sympathies

Who the fuck said anything about sympathies? You see, I'm not a next level visionary like you. I go after the source of the problem. That means when somebody gets mugged, I hold the mugger responsible. When a house gets broken into, I hold the burglar responsible. When a child gets molested, I hold the molester responsible. We can't all be out here playing 4D chess like you, and it's not like we've already hit saturation wrt warning women about sex predators or anything. The root of the social problem isn't women not being adequately warned about sex offenders, it's men sex offending.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You're so brave, standing up against all these imaginary feminists who refuse to hold women responsible for anything. A real revolutionary. 🙌🙌🙌🙌

I don't understand why it required such a smartass response, but alright. I don't pretend to be the champion of anything. We're sitting on a messageboard throwing back and forth comments.

Wow, you got the PoS gene running in your family or something? Dayum.

As much as I can't tell if this is just being purely dismissive and insensitive, multi-generationally. Yes. Quite the long line of white trash. A lot of manipulation, abuse, neglect.

Who the fuck said anything about sympathies? You see, I'm not a next level visionary like you. I go after the source of the problem. That means when somebody gets mugged, I hold the mugger responsible. When a house gets broken into, I hold the burglar responsible. When a child gets molested, I hold the molester responsible. We can't all be out here playing 4D chess like you, and it's not like we've already hit saturation wrt warning women about sex predators or anything. The root of the social problem isn't women not being adequately warned about sex offenders, it's men sex offending.

I'm holding people responsible who don't care about children and expose them knowingly to danger, that stay with someone even in the absence of abuse so that they can experience their own satisfaction. I'll hold direct offenders guilty, obviously.

[–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't understand why it required such a smartass response

Because if I'm being generous, you made a pointless comment that addresses no one in this conversation. You got the best response possible in the given circumstances.

As much as I can't tell if this is just being purely dismissive and insensitive, multi-generationally.

Well I'm not quite sure why you're airing personal grievances you have against your own family members to me, a complete stranger on the internet, so assume all of the above, I guess.

I'm holding people responsible who don't care about children and expose them knowingly to danger, that stay with someone even in the absence of abuse so that they can experience their own satisfaction

Again, good4u, lol 🙌🙌🙌🙌

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's in reference to

Instead of putting the responsibility of dealing with sex-crazed child predators on "single" mom's, the pressure should be on PUA shits and deadbeat fathers to not be terrible people. It's not "the marxists" (or "the feminists") who "destroyed the family unit". These men chose to fuck off and not do their part.

If anything, I say we should impose a tax on the entire male sex. Maybe 0.5% of the income of every male person over the age of majority. Money that will go towards supporting "single" moms. We could adjust the percentage; maybe have it go up or down as need be. That will really go about rectifying the "tough situation", what do you think? My back up proposal is we castrate deadbeat fathers and the child molesting creeps, but I think that's a more extreme alternative.

I wasn't even disagreeing with you so much as making an addendum. Usually adding personal experience to an addendum gives it additional weight for the person that you're conversing with to weigh for themselves in a discussion. All of the issues that you brought up (deadbeat dads and pedofilth needing to be castrated) and the issue that I've brought up (moms that sell out for thrills and expose their kids or damage them themselves) have to be dealt with. These people can be linked together.

[–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The discussion here is about a systemic issue where men do not do their share of child-rearing and are often even abusive towards children. The solution isn't to have the "nice guys" step in heroically to protect women and children from the "baddies". The problem isn't a lack of "nice guys" who are willing to step in and "defend women", this isn't a battle between good and evil where the chivalrous will prevail. The problem is with male socialization. Instead of trying to play hero for social credit, men need to do the hard work of finding ways to deal with their feelings- loneliness, anger, inadequacy and sexual unfulfillment- in a healthy, non-abusive way. Men need to acknowledge that this isn't a few bad apples; it is an issue that men face as a class and need to address as a class. They've been taught unhealthy coping mechanisms as boys and those things were reinforced in them as men and they need to deal with unlearning it, not try and pretend it's a problem with "bullies" or "PUA" or "incels" or "pedophiles" or "rapists" or "[insert demographic] guys" (or Marxists, or feminists).

These people can be linked together

No they cant. Your claim that "women do it too!!" is a derail of the main discussion. Isn't it funny how every time men are being called out as a class, some dudebro or handmaiden jumps in to make sure everyone knows that "women do it too!!!11!" ?

Parents that sell out their children for thrills; abusive, neglectful, exploitative parents are not a female problem. Women make up a higher percentage of child abuser only because women are overwhelmingly expected to be the main, if not sole caretakers of children. How many of the abused children in your family have active and engaged fathers?

Women make up the largest percentage of abusers when it comes to child neglect, but neglect can only be carried out by the parent or guardian responsible for the well-being of the child, so that rules out absentee parents who do absolutely nothing. Moreover, women are more likely to live in poverty and poor living conditions can be considered neglect (e.g. not having enough food, not having weather suitable clothing, leaving the child unsupervised due to not being able to afford a sitter[1] ). On the other hand, fatal physical child abuse is far more likely to be carried out by a man- physical discipline is often considered child abuse, but there's a difference between that and killing your kid. And of course, men have almost a monopoly on CSA. When adjusted for the disparity in time invested in childcare, men are just as, if not more likely to carry out child abuse (CSA not included).

What unique solution do you have for dealing with abusive mothers? Are we castrating them too? I support the use of contraceptives, as do most women- the issue is usually with a lack of access. There's nothing to do besides taking the kid away like you would any abusive parent. Terrible people are everywhere. This is not a female problem, it is a parenting problem.

Though, I suppose, I could argue that if more men were involved in child rearing, and men were to continue abusing children at the same rate as observed by statistics, there will be more child abuse by men. Thus by technicality, the percentage of child abuse carried out by women will go down. In any case, if every child had at least two parents present to rely on, it would lower the odds of abuse.

[1] IIRC, there was a woman in the US who was deem neglectful due to leaving her daughter unsupervised at a playground while she went to a job interview because she couldn't afford a babysitter. Not going to discuss the morality of the situation, but aside from the general work being done to pull and keep women out of poverty as well as creating greater support networks for single parents, I don't think there's much one can reform to prevent this.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree that socialization changes would definitely help, but we need stronger and more mentally well mothers for that too. Mental health care reform would be my biggest suggestion. Mental health access, affordability, and quality of care need to be accessible to both males and females. A disturbed boy can grow into a disturbed man with a boatload of strength behind him. A disturbed girl possibly growing into a woman whose childhood horrors make an appearance for her own children, repeating the cycle. Mom and dad both need to be in a good place to bring up mentally healthier kids. We lack so many social safety nets in general in this country that it's honestly disgusting. Unless you have money here, if you're mentally ill you're given whatever meds they can bandaid the situation with and scoot you out the turnstile for the next patient. It creates shitty human beings that have an inability to cope, to resolve aggression, to remain patient, and sometimes to even function alongside others at all. Most of my experience has been with cluster B women, and it's.. nothing short of extremely difficult to humanize them after seeing the destruction wrought. If those mental health issues were noticed and managed better (but by who?), they could have all turned out to be completely different people and brought up girls that didn't end up in even worse shoes. Or maybe not. It would be lovely to see the changes in the system, to have people not living in squalor with shit and shit accessories to live for, but it just seems like we're given smoke and mirrors instead.