Is the trans community (and allies) detransphobic ?

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[–]Sebell 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

As much as I appreciate the fact that we are starting to stand up for teenage girls and young women -

I wonder if people won't really listen until the "egg" community, that recruits young men, is finally in the news, exposed, and treated as real - because it's something that impacts men and boys.

[–]Feather 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

According to the "egg" community, it seems like every single human is trans. I mean, their egg shit is flimsy as hell. I like explosions in movies and hate women's pants because the pockets aren't big enough. Based on that alone they'd probably say I should be a trans man.

The funny thing is that if we were all as trans as they think everyone is (considering their standards for "eggs" = no standards), they wouldn't be special anymore. Do they really not understand that literally EVERYONE is an egg by their standards? Or do they genuinely believe that the stuff they see as egg-ish is rare and special?

[–]Wrencer[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wow, you're definitely a trans guy /s

That sub is toxic af. Their pinned post is some nonsense about "you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans. You don't need to medically transition to be trans. You don't need to socially transition to be trans" (then, what's the point of being trans ??). I posted it on my sub (where everyone in the LGBT community was welcome) and trans ppl there were literally MOCKING egg_irl and saying how disrespectful their pinned post was to trans ppl with legit gender dysphoria, and those who actually transition.

It's funny how the narrative changed. Before, it was necessary to go on hormones, to have surgery, ... To call yourself a woman. Now, a cis man could basically say "I'm a woman" and, tada ! He's a woman.

[–]Feather 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's very weird. It's like a fast-motion real-life example of the slippery slope fallacy actually reflecting reality.

I'm sure there are lots of trans people who think much of what's going on is BS, but they're certainly not the loudest voices and they themselves have to fear for their livelihood and safety if they're open about being "truscum."

[–]Wrencer[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's pretty crazy that they went as far as considering trans ppl who have actually fully transitioned as "gatekeepers" and call them by that ugly slur. The trans community needs some gatekeeping, and gatekeeping isn't really a bad thing considering some situations like kids transitioning

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Okay. Please excuse my ignorance, my irl trans experience (sibling) is a little dated. I know about stealth, passing, "gold stars," hormones, SRS, etc. but WTAF is it with this egg thing? Holy crap. Is it pure meme? Gaming-inspired? Quasi-mythological social contagion? Too much weed? I mean, what is this mess? 🤦🏻‍♀️🌀

[–]Feather 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I suspect the egg meme thing is mostly teenagers convincing other teenagers to be trans, but it's not like adult trans people are discouraging them - the more trans kids, the better (in their minds).

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Follow-up thought -- in the young developing brain, wouldn't "imagining yourself as the opposite sex" just be a natural part of learning how to cognitively "do" empathy? We used to call that play-acting. Now adults are trying to train young brains to accept that impulse as material reality and groom them for trans? That is seriously warped.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

to train young brains to accept that impulse as material reality

Thank you post-modernism! In seriousness, though, you aren't wrong, but you have to factor in the highly pornographied world we live in. When trying to imagine yourself as the other sex (at least in the m-t-f scenario), and a ton of your references to them are porn or objectified roles (mother, wife) - you can't empathize with them, you can only fetishize them. Fetishization requires a reduction to object or part. If you have a heavy porn user imagining themselves as female via sex roles, you end up with the AGP.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. We're off the road with this -- maybe off the map? -- with the absolute porn-saturation of young developing brains. Increasingly violent porn. We've literally never been here before . . . How much is that hijacking empathy? Undermining empathy? What kind of neuroplastic grooves are being laid down by this?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oooookay. Thank you. So they've memed the process (as they imagine it?) and the adults have hooked in. Gross.

[–]Wrencer[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I swear, the egg_irl sub is highly problematic. According to them, every gender non conforming person should transition. I predict that the number of detransitioners will explode in the future, since now you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans, according to them

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Pain science is part of my gig. I also foresee the population of chronic pain patients rising -- even "just" top and minor plastic surgeries cause adhesions, mild to moderate nerve damage, range-of-motion issues . . .

[–]Sebell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The reason they don't consider breast reductions medically necessary unless someone is in severe pain is because of risk vs reward - the risk is high enough, you could be replacing one problem with another problem. (Cosmetic is "you are an adult, if you pay for it you can take the responsibility for the poor outcome" - but I think it's clear sometimes people don't have fully understanding of the risk).

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely no doubt the "full risk" isn't promoted in TRA circles. And now they're trying to stuff destrans people into the basement, keep them silent . . . This is soooo cultish.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've literally never seen someone on egg ask if they were trans and someone reply 'no.'

[–]fuckingsealions 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see what you're saying about the bias. I am hoping that men will participate to clean up their own side of the street. Fathers should get a fucking ounce of education about what the modern porn environment is doing to boys and the access predators have to them.

[–]Spikygrasspod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I hesitate to ask but... wtf is the egg community?

[–]Sebell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So, let's say you're a guy and you post "I like playing video games with female avatars". That's common right? People don't always use the avatar that represents them?

They would refer to that person as being an "egg who hasn't cracked" - meaning - they are transgender because "real men" would never use a female avatar. Any gender non-conforming behavior is "proof" that person is trans - which is backwards from the old view that gender dysphoria was "persistent, insistent, consistent" in "cross gender behavior and statements".

[–]Spikygrasspod 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So all gender non conforming people are potentially trans but haven't realised it yet? Hmmmmmmmm. But we're all gender non-conforming in some way. So we're all trans. Why don't we just have a word for all the trans men and trans men eggs, like, say, 'women'? That would save a lot of confusion!