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[–]venecia 51 insightful - 2 fun51 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 2 fun -  (34 children)

I've noticed it too. ''Educate yourself'', ''google it'', ''TWAW full stop, no qualifiers, period''. I get that kind of response with sealioning neckbeards because you're genuinely sick of being asked to explain everything to people who won't listen, but EVERYONE gets shut down with the same playbook.

[–]CleverNickName 46 insightful - 2 fun46 insightful - 1 fun47 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

It's been bothering me a lot lately where I've paid more attention - what is their argument? They have a statement, TWAW, and they spew instant knee-jerk hate to any and all questions let alone dissent, but it's been a loooong time since I've seen any attempt at explaining gender ideology. You'd think it warrants an explanation. I can explain sexuality - not well, I'm an idiot after all, but I can.

I see explanations about mental health, racism, capitalism, political spectrums, history, linguistics, absolutely everything, all over the place. They don't even bother explaining dysphoria anymore, the one thing they, on the surface, even have sort of in their favour.

[–]Wrencer 35 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Their argument is "I feel like a woman, so I'm a woman" lol

And now they've decided you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans anymore. And some are toying with the idea that trans women weren't born male

[–]VioletRemi 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I asked few of that what is "like a woman" means, never got an answer. Or even if got, it was just bunch of stereotypes like "I like cooking, looking pretty and when men wanting me".

[–]basetenprefix 11 insightful - 9 fun11 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

As a lesbian, I agree that one of my main female feelings happen when men want me. /s

[–]VioletRemi 7 insightful - 8 fun7 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

Agree. And even in bed with my gf we are posing just in case some man watching us! Just like in porn.

[–]Wrencer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"I got catcalled in the street, now I feel like a real woman". Also, how the hell is it forbidden to criticize the super misogynistic and stereotype vision they have of womanhood ?? I always feel like I'm walking on eggshells when I'm discussing LGBT issues these days anyway. I'm now scared to speak my mind

[–]lavender_menace 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Scaring women into submission is what they want. If enough people are bullied into silence they hope they become more accepted by society.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (12 children)

Ok, I gotta ask. If they were born with xy chromosomes, a penis and testes, how exactly were they not born males?

Please don’t say google it but I will...

[–]bellatrixbells 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

One of them told me that the other day. He repeatedly refused to explain to me what a woman was, alleging that he didn't have to justify his existence to me.
Then explained that he was assigned male but that he was in fact female and therefore a woman (because he knew it).
At that point I just quit before I got banned from Reddit. Seems like it never crossed his mind that his reducing our whole biological existence and social experience as a result of this biological reality to some all-inclusive concept was insulting as fuck to us.
What's even weirder is he was post-op... So if you're a female why did you need surgery to become a woman ? How do you become a female if you always were one ? None of this makes sense. All they care about is themselves and their own comfort, they have zero concern nor respect towards us. Sometimes it seems like they're the ones not recognizing our existence. It sounds like we don't have feelings and fears too. This movement is completely dehumanizing woman.
Sorry I went off topic. Hahah

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not off topic at all. It is a part of their delusion and what we all have had to deal with. Great user name, btw!

[–]bellatrixbells 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey thank you so much _^ Like yours too, for real. It's delightfully simple. :)

[–]neveragain 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

The main "argument" they use for being biologically female and always being biologically female from birth goes like this: "trans women are women" -> "therefore, a trans woman's body is a woman's body" -> "a woman's body is biologically female" -> "trans women always knew they were women" -> "therefore, a trans women is biologically female, and was thus from birth".

The above is fantastic proof that the TWAW statement will cause your brain to rot.

The other commonly used argument is based on the pseudo-science being peddled currently about biological sex being a mysterious unknowable spectrum. Basically, because all women's bodies are different (shape, size, hormone levels, chromosome outliers), we can't really say what a woman's body is, they all have barely anything in common after all, so therefore a trans woman's body may as well be biologically female. The differences are tiny and miniscule and biological sex is a mystery we are only just beginning to possibly maybe unravel!

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Full-scale gaslighting. It is really amazing to me that they were allowed to run roughshod all over Reddit to the point they were able to kill subs that said: this is bullshit.

[–]Wrencer 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I tried to find something to back up that claim a while ago, but all I could find was some allegations that their brains were female lol

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Did you ever play the telephone game as a kid? Where the circle keeps whispering a message to each person in turn and by the time it gets to the last person, the message is totally different than how it started. It’s kind of like that for TRA science.

If validated peer reviewed studies ever back up their claims about just about anything, then I might believe something that they say.

[–]Wrencer 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is never going to happen, trans women were born male, and their delusions won't change that

[–]luckystar 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They were obviously. If you want to see a (piss poor) explanation of why some trans people believe they are biologically female, look up Riley Dennis on YT, he has a video on this exact topic

[–]Anonimouse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I got one of these in the wild. Response was that the person almost certainly wasn't tested for xy before being asigned male, so it's just based on the penis and testes, and now we have the degendering of the sex organs in the TRA rhetoric.

[–]basetenprefix 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Slogans work really well to rally people. Think about "Make America Great Again". What does that even mean? What was great? Why is it not great anymore? It's so subjective. But it's also quick and catchy and you can chant it and put it on merchandise. It doesn't require you to think very far or critically. "Transwomen Are Women" has been really effective in this same way.

[–]EvaWumben 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm new to this, and years ago, I honestly saw TWAW as a just polite validation of a few people, mostly people I knew who were being bullied. Then the entire internet hopped on board, added a ton of delusional subtext, and went literally into the definition of mass hysteria. I gave up.

[–]basetenprefix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was also on board. I've had direct interactions with two transwomen and they were both fine, we just gamed together, nothing weird, then never really talked again. Didn't think much of it. I'm very much in the camp of people can do whatever they want if it's their business, if it isn't hurting anyone. I didn't think the transgender movement was hurting anyone. I know differently now.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Terf has been very effective, too. If anyone challenges their narrative in any way, they just get abusive and call the terf dog whistle. Most people don’t even know what the acronym means, but by now, they sure as hell know it is something bad.

[–]fuckingsealions 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

My friend sent me the Meghan Murphy debate today (older): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yawM1CRWxE

It is long and thorough, but it's still pretty much "I am a woman because I say I'm a woman." The audience sure was pissed though!! Also missed a lot of Meghan's definitions, which they rebutted mostly with "nuh-uh."

Transwomen? More like tautologywomen amirite? (No I am not.)

One thing that was interesting that came out of it was Murphy's opponent telling a member of the audience who did not want her young daughter trapped in protected women's spaces with men that they have a right to BE safe, but no right to FEEL safe. I thought this was interesting in light of the idea that hate speech is violence. If, according to this TiM, no one has a right to FEEL safe, then why can't women just say what we wish about anyone?

[–]Spikygrasspod 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Tautologywomen is beautiful :D

[–]Spikygrasspod 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The argument is that the best way to protect trans people is for everyone to pretend they're literally the opposite sex. But people tend to not go along with this when it's stated openly, so they get there via the sleight of hand that is 'gender identity'. Unfortunately, trans rights activists are, with the collusion of the medical industry, simultaneously vastly expanding the category of trans to accord with this unfalsifiable object, 'gender identity'. In practice it is a subjective mental state evidenced by an act of declaration. Again, people are unlikely to go along with this (especially the transing of children) if it's stated directly, so there is more obfuscation. Obfuscation works better when combined with threats, accusations, and silencing, though, so the movement has adopted much of the language of social justice movements to make their goals seem legit and to make critics seem like villains. But yeah. The basic position is that any man who says they're a woman is literally a woman and should have access to all women's rights and spaces, and be legally and socially treated as though they are literally a woman. This is in direct opposition to women's separatism, a crucial tool for improving women's lot in male dominated societies.

[–]spinningIntelligence 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

You're not an idiot; you have a clever nickname, right?

[–]Anonimouse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I feel like sexuality is going to go the same way soon. This morning, I came across a similar "google it", "educate yourself" in response to hypersexual asexuals.

[–]MezozoicGay 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

hypersexual asexuals

Not sure how it could possibly work, if at all. They are very agressively and activelly not wanting to have sex?

[–]Anonimouse 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I believe they are extra horny, but not attracted to other people. So they fap, a lot.

I educated myself.

[–]MezozoicGay 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

In front of mirror? I thought that is what TRA are doing.

[–]Anonimouse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe they are extra horny, but not attracted to other people. So they fap, a lot.

I educated myself.

[–]bellatrixbells 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Also "educate yourself" usually means "read what trans organizations want you to say and how they want to behave and drink it like a nice big glass of Kool Aid and we'll stop insulting you.
Uh uh yeah right no sorry I have a mind of my own. You wanna convince me that who I am isn't worth squat, you're gonna have to bring strong arguments to the table.