When & where did the "transgender" movement begin? Seeking specifics.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-16T05:59:07+00:00

I have the same memories as you. I remember being shocked that there were protests when Silence of the Lambs (1991) came out, over the portrayal of trans issues, but honestly few paid attention. In every day life, we just knew feminine men, butch women, lots of us didn't conform and no one felt a need for to explore and name this. Even in the early days of the web, it was just absent. I notice a lot of the most harmful ideas hijacked from academia ended up severely focused at tumblr and spread through fandom communities. They seem to have infiltrated and hijacked gen z; without that they'd still be without teeth. Heck, offline they're still without teeth unless you're at a specifically feminist or L space from what I've seen.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-15T22:43:53+00:00

And of course, "don't want to take this abuse? don't be one of THOSE feminists". Which has also snowballed endlessly to this sad point.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-15T19:55:55+00:00

Interesting, I didn't realize there was another forum like this!

EvaWumben · 2021-03-15T04:58:14+00:00

Oh, that finale was spectacular! Mermaids person screaming to "Report them!"

That aside, how is this not criminal? 3 and 4 year olds? They're toddlers. Who still need help going to the bathroom. These parents are absolutely sick and should be prosecuted. They still yank Indigenous kids out of Indigenous homes to foster out to white families out of sheer racism, but they are letting parents (presumably white) trans their toddlers.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-14T22:45:20+00:00

If I may update? It's been several months, and while I keep certain things private for anonymity, myself and several friends (few of us white or straight) have been brutally attacked by hordes of white kids online who immediately scream "TR*NSPHOBE" the second any of us say a single thing. They are terrorists (and zero of these young people identified as REMOTELY nonbinary, trans, gq, etc. until about a year ago), and this seems to be a pattern in every social circle that doesn't involve majority POC populations, tbh. I'm older, meanwhile a younger woman I know was just subjected to severe abuse by a "nonbinary..." whatever, he is a man. A MAN. For having to have surgery for severe medical issues that could've killed her. Her crime? She was accused of flouting her privilege at being born with female anatomy and getting healthcare for a serious actual health concern when trans people have to get a gofundme and "don't get to have ovaries". I am told her friend group peaktransed over this. I am so irate all the time. It was bad enough growing up knowing that once we hit a certain age we're discarded and considered irrelevant as women, now we're being appropriated by men while white girls who have only known sex based oppression are throwing out their womanhood (on paper at least) in order to......everyone knows what I mean.

The utter and complete racism involved in this movement as well, I am infuriated nonstop (and I am NOT sharing my worst story here lest I want to blast it elsewhere). All I see is groups of white kids appropriating the mantle of oppression by claiming random gender identities, and apologies if this offends, I don't have any hatred for any racial group, but this is so blatantly obvious and most of us are sick of this. Claiming a gender ID most never heard of till recently is suddenly widespread and more oppressed than racial minorities, EFF THEM ALL.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-14T21:56:39+00:00

Thanks, I'll take a look.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-14T06:41:55+00:00

The ACLU turns down cases of actual discrimination against actual women when someone sneezes near a trans person. They need to just change their name at this point.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-14T06:06:50+00:00

I find nothing more amusing than young white women who obsess over gender, their own race, and hunting "phobes". Maybe we need anime memes indicating gruesome fates for "T Hunters"? These white girls need to get a mirror and a grip. They can't opt out of being white or female, and it's way past time someone let them know.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-14T01:42:17+00:00

Exactly the same. I feel exactly the same. It's just a giant loophole to harass and denigrate us, aided by....actual women. Long as they don't ban me I don't care what they call me but I weep for the others.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-13T20:37:03+00:00

Me trying to explain to my past self that in the future we'll be attacked as misogynists and possibly assaulted for being......women and feminists....

EvaWumben · 2021-03-13T20:33:56+00:00

Who is this guy?

EvaWumben · 2021-03-11T22:18:13+00:00

Has anyone here ever met a man who transitions who didn't have serious issues before they suddenly realized the gender they later claim they were born with? "I never knew, took me so long to realize I'm trans, OMG I WAS BORN THIS GENDER I AMMMMMM FEMALE! IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE...."

EvaWumben · 2021-03-11T21:53:50+00:00

Same here. And that's the abuse they throw out.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-11T21:50:34+00:00

This right here. I can't think of any woman over about 45 who wouldn't be called a T online for simply expressing what USED to be extremely normal views.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-11T21:47:17+00:00

Perfectly worded, thank you. These women are SOOO worried about male approval they are throwing us all under the bus.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-11T21:45:39+00:00

I had to leave most of abortion rights because it's entirely, these days, about screaming about trans stuff and carrying water for patriarchy. Disgusting. I absolutely still support abortion rights but will not work with these traitors.

EvaWumben · 2021-03-11T21:40:11+00:00

This dude needs to go

EvaWumben · 2020-07-25T23:59:41+00:00

What the....

EvaWumben · 2020-07-25T22:08:32+00:00

I can't believe I've gotten into screaming fights lately just for stating that there aren't multiple genders. There aren't, how difficult is this to grasp?

EvaWumben · 2020-07-19T16:55:37+00:00

Sadly, that's not how it's playing out here.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-19T06:07:19+00:00

When I first heard a few detransitioners mentioning a "national chain healthcare service" they'd gotten T from within one appointment, I was floored. Finding which one it was, good heavens. This is beyond wrong, but with the political climate what it is, no one dares criticize PP as the overall push against abortion rights is so strong here now. This is devastating.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-19T06:05:48+00:00

I'd forgotten about that nearly. What was it she said that got her ousted?

EvaWumben · 2020-07-19T06:05:13+00:00

I've been hearing about cultural Marxism since the late 90s in conservative circles, honestly, and in some of the more conservative outlets in the internet's early days. And I'm not glad of my lifelong habit of looking at many sides of an issue, or I'd still not know what gender critical feminism is! Thanks, JK!

EvaWumben · 2020-07-19T05:58:17+00:00

Absolutely the same belief here, and I've been considered a heretic on this front for years. It's segregated care, and few feminists I know see it this way. We shouldn't have to go to a clinic surrounded by angry, religious protesters to get care we need, it's just so disrespectful. All the way around. except it's simply getting worse with hospital mergers and religious hospitals creating monopolies. The alternative is both sensible and normal to most people.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-19T05:51:39+00:00

This was the absolute jaw dropper for me.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-19T05:40:09+00:00

Perhaps not, but it sort of did. Most people my generation would've simply said to cram it re: most of this gender talk if we'd known it was going on, but we don't tend to go in those corners of the web. That the views here (on trans issues, not necessarily feminism) are shared by everyone I know offline is rather telling. If most knew about transing kids (and that's being blown up now) the outrage will grow exponentially. I don't know anyone who doesn't shake their heads at the notion of "whatever number of genders (eyeroll eyeroll) over a certain age.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-19T05:31:18+00:00

I honestly feel like one aspect to this is, at least in the States, to not let the far right get ahold of the narrative, and they're already trying. Which is being uncountered due to those center and left who fear speaking out. Speaking out in support in measured terms, simply reminding the world that the majority of people agree with many or most of her points is key, in my opinion. BEFORE the US righties get more claws into anything gender critical, as they are NOT remotely feminist and it pains me to see them attempting this.

Agreed on all other points below here, especially her wonderful staff.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-14T05:23:41+00:00

Oh, my sincere condolences....

EvaWumben · 2020-07-14T05:21:55+00:00

Wow. It's almost like they're not really wooooomben if they have to even ask.

They really ask? Peak trans the world.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-14T04:44:32+00:00

Thank you, and before you say that, I thought I was as well. Even some online spaces, which have zero to do with anything gender related and are rather more armchair academic, well, all it takes is for one person to show up and start insisting on this. It has bothered me enormously.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-14T04:38:41+00:00

Just flummoxed, as an older (that the tumblr generation at least) person that this is even happening. What in the af happened when loads of us turned our backs? Ed Wood?

EvaWumben · 2020-07-13T03:57:20+00:00

Thank you, I may cut and paste in the future if anything runs that long. But yes, there was always the "back of the head" cringing over the clashing thoughts that "but they aren't really...." "but I'd never SAY that...." and finally to, "DAMMIT I HAVE SUFFERED SO MUCH MEDICAL INJUSTICE AND YOU CAN JUST WALK IN AND ORDER THIS CARE LIKE YOU'RE AT A TACO BELL?!?!?" Rage intensifies.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-13T03:51:06+00:00

No, I ticked more of the boxes to be diagnosed than kids today, if it was taken how it is today instead of how it was then (just a tomboy). It terrifies me. I didn't get my period that young though, and I can't imagine how alienating that must have been! And I"m glad your parents were so supportive!

EvaWumben · 2020-07-13T03:27:44+00:00

Yeah, I was studying this years before these kids were born. I'm an expert in my own sex based oppression. I've politely validated trans friends for years, but it doesn't work anymore. Part of educating yourself is also deprogramming from social media slogans, which is basically the Wizard of Oz trick of pulling the curtain and having someone simply point out "but they're not women." We all KNOW this. In our bones. As if women haven't been gaslit about our anatomy for.....ever. We know. We know. And so does JK.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-13T03:23:02+00:00

I'm new to this, and years ago, I honestly saw TWAW as a just polite validation of a few people, mostly people I knew who were being bullied. Then the entire internet hopped on board, added a ton of delusional subtext, and went literally into the definition of mass hysteria. I gave up.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-12T05:24:59+00:00

I'm so glad. I'm so fed up. I wish there was a running chat here, but I'm so glad that the horrid scary monsters I've read about on the internet are just.....shocker....WOMEN!

EvaWumben · 2020-07-12T04:05:42+00:00

Wow that looks short when you can only see a small box worth....I'll edit that.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-12T04:04:50+00:00

Begun as a reply to neveragain: No issues with the length, thank you for saying what I couldn't truly put into words before. When you don't realize you're peaking, then JKR shows up....Same thing here. TERFs are evil horrible people, right? Like you, I think I believed them to be basically the far right in America. I saw the uproar, after thinking her tweet about "people who menstruate" was absolutely hilarious and spot on, then what everyone called her GC manifesto. I didn't disagree. I read it aloud to others who'd previously mocked girls in stories about TIMs in locker rooms as phobes. They agreed. At a certain point, every woman has either gone through enough misogyny that we cannot stand seeing it belittled and appropriated or they're, frankly, enduring Stockholm Syndrome. The simple fact is that I had peaked a bit before, as I simply got sick of TIM friends posting about the horrors of menstrual cramps, and frankly just know these particular people to have horrendous histories of trauma and abuse. And also the obvious fact that they're appropriating suffering of actual women to bolster their delusion.

Ding ding ding. There it was, I had started to refer to myself as an "actual woman". I'd recently met a TIM and the level of trying to almost convert me was strange, actually rather strange. I was seeing more and more of my feminist friends give loads of clout online to those who used TRA language, while honestly leaving behind actual women who have long been activists and feminists, often WOC, because we refuse to put pronouns in our bios. Things went from "it's polite to put pronouns in your screen name or bio" to "What kind of person WOULDN'T?" so quickly. Slowly, even the most non gender related spaces online were invaded by small numbers of young people, usually not even trans, who started insisting on this nonsense. And it is nonsense. Cue JKR. I read. I digested. I'm not as far over as she is, I thought, but I'll check out the study she references and this YouTuber. Ding ding ding again. Really? It was the appropriation of what it means to be a woman. All of it. At first it felt terribly subversive to hear TIM aren't women. But the follow up line, "everyone knows this", yeah. We do. So I began to read about the abuses lesbians were facing. I began to lurk. Truth is, I didn't need to. I know a few people, now in their early 20s, who detransitioned. They're horrified about it. We never spoke aloud that this was socially imposed on them by parents, but we always thought it was. I'd forgotten that, as they're back to IDing as their actual gender now. The final straw and line for me, other than my rights being pushed aside for those of TIM (which has happened to me) was doing this to children. Prepubescent children. With puberty blockers. I ticked every box as a kid for what would now be called persistent gender dysphoria, but I was just a tomboy and recognized as such. I wasn't even treated that weird. Doing this to any children is abuse and horrifying. The knowledge that kids like me are now being asked in schools if they area actually trans, and subjected to medical experiments and psychological torture is too horrifying. Little girls like me are already told our bodies are shameful. Now they're being told it was all a mistake? Their entire BODY? RAGE. I just peaked 5 more times writing this.

-why is the general public not horrified over transing kids? -why are detransitioners attacked and denied media coverage? -why are women being.....never mind, that's old hat, I KNOW WHY BUT STILL -why is the mic being given re: women's issues to TIF on twitter? WHY? WHY does anyone put up with this?

The simple fact is that in the US, the debate has centered around the religious right, and usually people you really just don't want to much associate with in person, who don't value women any more than what is discussed here. A LOT of Americans simply chose the side that wasn't literally the same side of people who protest our rights in almost every other area. I think that was all anyone needed to set this debate in the US, frankly. Yet I meet younger folks who think it's nonsense and are done with it as well. It's a different scene for the Brits I've spoken to, and I'm glad we can sort it out online, love hearing your perspective.

Apologies for pouring that out beginning as a reply, then an mishmash of disjointed gushing, I've just felt very alone without anyone to discuss this with. Hitting full peak during shutdown with only an obviously hostile internet has been....interesting. Till I found this place, and thanks again.

Thanks to whoever put this entire sub up, I saw the link on reddit.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T19:38:51+00:00

Just a few months ago, I didn't even know what that slur referred to, except everyone I was exposed to online said they were.....you know what they said. Imagine my shock when I actually started reading what people had to say in criticism! Of course everyone agrees, it's why they were so quick to immediately denounce JKR without even reading her essay. I didn't go through a lifetime of facing misogyny to be told to sit down and shut up.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T19:34:58+00:00

Good heavens, just found the article. This is absolute child abuse and anyone speaking out against it is being tarred and feathered. The world is so upside down I want to scream. And the funny thing, in 10 years, the detrans will outnumber those transitioning by a long shot, and a lot of them will have lawsuits. I'd give the lawsuit part far less than 10 years. Actually, I believe someone has filed suit in the UK? But why are we celebrating this?

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T17:17:07+00:00

Sorry if this wasn't posted properly, first time, just wanted to make sure people here are aware of this. TY

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T17:03:12+00:00

It really is. Few want to be associated with that sort here in the US, but honestly, the more vocal the Kids Who Live On Tumblr TRAs get, the more people are really starting to wonder.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T16:56:58+00:00

Exactly this! The more this hits the mainstream everyone will wonder what the fuss was about to begin with. Then perhaps they'll question why people are transitioning kids who are as young as 4.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T05:15:46+00:00

Oh, they'll call Biden a TERF soon, never fear.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T05:10:43+00:00

Well, that's one way to peak trans the masses.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T05:08:48+00:00

The US in particular got off to a bad start with the religious right here pitching a fit about bathrooms. They were so rabid it soured a lot of people and got the TWAW thing kicked off here as a response, mainly. We don't have a Tavistock, but enough people keep bragging that they got on our government healthcare to transition due to "discrimination", and it'll go the same direction.

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T04:57:07+00:00

Wasn't really on reddit, just saw this link there because I HAVE NO WHERE TO TALK about the fact that I am fed up, an actual woman, and didn't live this long to see everything handed over to...men. They're men, and I can say this here. Yah?

EvaWumben · 2020-07-11T04:41:57+00:00

I peaked. I peaked so hard it was like a wave of tightly repressed rage poured out simultaneously with my severe happiness and pride at being a woman. I'm not on forums or much, but thanks for having me. Too shy to share, hope that's ok.

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