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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

Why the need to mention their ethnicity though? Fuck racism and fuck anyone who has a problem with that statement.

[–]Wewillnotbesilenced 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Probably because of the way TRAs are co-opting the BLM movement and shifting the focus to transwomen of colour. TW of colour/WOC are frequently used as pawns in trans ideology. Perhaps this person was attempting a r/thisneverhappens type post, but wanted to highlight that black transwomen can also attack women, which challenges the current narrative. Orrrrr....this is a racebaiting troll attempting to make GC women look racist, divide and conquer.

If OP is genuine, so sorry to hear what you went through, please speak to someone about it.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You know what? I do not think this forum will be very good for my health. Good luck with everything though.

[–]Wewillnotbesilenced 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, didn't mean to offend, just trying to interpret why the poster specified race? I didn't want them to be attacked for racism if they are rape victim and didn't mean any harm. There is also the potential that they could have been trying to get a weird response.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not offended by your comment in particular. It can just be hard to navigate spaces (saidit) like these (large alt-right presence) as a black woman. I'll see how it goes.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am sorry to see you go. I think this particular post is trying to bait us into an ethical conundrum. It is highly unlikely anyone would actually come here in good faith and post something like this. TRAs want to capture us doing something wrong so they can unleash the masses on us and this thread topic is exactly something that could fuel an intense campaign given the current social climate. Regardless of where you end up landing, know that women everywhere are fighting for your sex-based rights. You are not alone. Take care of yourself.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks :) Once this user stops talking to me I'm probably going to spend less time here. r/GC_WOC is still up and running thankfully.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Same reason people are encouraged to "name the problem: male violence"? Some ethnicities of women have historically been more violent than even some ethnicities of men. If it's important to be able to state the specific demographics causing problems then it's always important to be able to state the specific demographics causing problems.

However, OP's post reads to me like a fake post looking for attention, or as pointed out below, looking to smear GC.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Some ethnicities of women have historically been more violent than even some ethnicities of men.

Data?

it's always important to be able to state the specific demographics causing problems.

Okay well last time I checked white men rape white women (go to page 11) the most but no one becomes anti-white after that 🙄. Also last time I checked most of the people that were me-too'ed were white men... and that's really saying something cause white men get away with crime all the time.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This user is not GC, they are here in bad faith and continually try to instigate with us specifically. I think you can guess why.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Me or the other person? I'd guess there are some alt-right men and women here to cause trouble. I'll still try to address their comments in hopes something wakes up in them though.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The other person! They just want to debate topics related to their own agenda because they already have their arguments ready to go and no one else will engage with them.

You were kind to give them time though and I appreciate seeing your Counter-perspective to their overt pot-stirring.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Why the need to mention their ethnicity though? Fuck racism and fuck anyone who has a problem with that statement.

Do you stand by your own principles?

if violent crime is a legitimate reason to be "anti-race" to you then black people as a group have committed more violent crime per capita in the US than other demographics. there are specific sub-demographics within that larger group that are also responsible for most of the violence perpetrated by that group (fairly young adult black men). Either you agree that "name the problem" is actually important or you don't.

And it doesn't sound like you actually believe in that principle, it sounds like you've become a horrible, bad person who has allowed herself to become radicalized by anti-White propaganda. Otherwise why point out something that's bad about White men specifically, when nobody mentioned any specific race? Why not discuss Asian men? Or Aboriginal Australian men?

Please take a hard look at what you've become. Consider reflecting on whether you're really treating the White people you encounter with respect, and what you can do to improve that if you haven't been.

Data?

I don't have it offhand, sorry, but you can look it up to see what's available if it's a topic you're curious about. iirc black women have historically been slightly more violent than white men, and significantly more violent than asian men. I'm not sure if white women have been more violent than asian men.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I am not anti-white lmao. I'm pointing out white men because YOU SAID that pointing out specific demographics is important to solving problems. The alt-right is delusional. I have proof now.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

No, you are enacting anti-Whiteness here.

GC has a phrase called "name the problem". It's not me making it up. It's encouraged for women to point not to criminals, but to men. But when I do the same thing along another axis, you try to shame and gaslight my with an incomplete statistical picture because you're SO excited to tell a White person it's not ok to recognize themselves as a White person at all, let alone actually begin to act on those interests. And further you attempt to demonize the very idea of White organization. It's exactly how men treat feminism. And it's done for similar reasons -- you think Whites (or women) are an acceptable target. Well, they aren't. You have to treat everyone with the same basic respect if you want to consider yourself a person who treats others well.

Again, consider how you're treating the White people you're exposed to, how your behavior is affecting the most vulnerable of White women (should a vulnerable White woman be shamed if she is feels discomfort that could save her life around someone of a different race? Or should you gaslight her and encourage her to put herself in a dangerous situation? If you were treating her well, you would validate her experience of reality, would not shame her for trying to take care of herself, and you would definitely not try to gaslight her.)

Not that I feel particularly compelled here to stand up for Asian women who would likely not stand up for me, but as Asians in general have been the least violent race, you are being more anti-Asian than you are being anti-White by gaslighting women about the reality of these trends. And you are being anti-woman by gaslighting any woman of any background about these trends she might be able to use to arrange a safer environment for herself.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I'm not gas-lighting any woman. You're gas-lighting me. I don't like racist people or racism. I have every right to because racist people don't like me (black woman).

If this is not a troll, I 100% respect the fact that this person was raped but I make no excuses for racism. White people fucked up my family but you don't see me becoming anti-white. I'm solely anti-racist. Calling out racism is not anti-white. To say so is to support the claim that all white people are racist by default which is to be racist to white people so it looks like you're the anti-white person here.

If you have every right to racist then I have every right to be anti-racist. Good day and good bye.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you believe in "name the problem" when "the problem" is "men," but not believe in "name the problem" when "the problem" is that some ethnic groups have been doing more violent crime? You are gaslighting, if there's nothing hateful about pointing out that it's men that are doing harmful things, then there's nothing hateful about doing the same in other circumstances too.

Trying to say that all races and ethnic have perpetrated violence at the same rates historically is gaslighting, because it's not true. It harms every single women who would have been able to use that information to keep herself safer.

When specifically targeting White women who openly recognize this reality, it is anti-White and it specifically harms White women, and disproportionately harms the most vulnerable White women.

It's not always clear what people mean by "racism" now, but killing or harming a person because of her race is not the same kind of thing as reporting the race of somebody who committed a violent act. This suppression of real race or ethnicity based trends in violent crime has already lead to serious harm of girls in the UK.

I'm sorry if you don't like these things being pointed out, but if you're doing it because you think it's ok to shield groups from accountability for violent criminality because you in some way identify with them, you're not any better than the men who identity with the rapist and talk about how "not all men" when male criminality is pointed out.

If you aware of you're doing though, you can stop perpetuating these harmful attitudes. It needs to be acceptable to report the race of people who commit violent acts even if those people aren't White, because preventing people from doing that in the name of "anti-racism" is actively causing harm. It needs to be acknowleged that "racism" isn't something only White people can do; White people are actually, collectively, one of the groups with the least amount of problems with abusive attitudes towards other races. If you are against race-based hate, you might want to work in Black or Asian communities where it is currently more of a problem, especially anti-White racism.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is obvious baiting.

[–]DustyKitten 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you contact the police? Was this recent? Are you OK?