So it's come to this.

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    [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    yeah there was something sketchy going on with those mods imo.

    also they're not "TERF"s. They're not trans exclusionary anymore than they're "sex worker" exclusionary. They just have an opinion that those things are very bad, that's it, they don't want to hurt the people. "TERF" was an attempt to take "radical feminism" away from women. "TERF" implies that there's some "radical feminism" that's not "trans exclusionary" that's for both men ("trans women") and women. And the reason for "exclusion" is not because the excluded people are male and it's a movement to help women, but because they're "trans".

    "TERF" is the equivalent of "far right" -- calling actual nationalists that aren't just some sort of weird ancestry-doesn't-matter-just-values civic nationalists "far right".

    [–]WrongToy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The sub's original creators identified as radical feminists of the Marxist type. That is the foundation on which that sub was created, with gendercritical a manifestation. They made allowances to post conservative content but with time those became more cumbersome as it was usually conservatives doing most of the gendercritical press. The ones that weren't, like Meghan Murphy and GenderTrender, were banned years ago by woke leftists.

    [–]homeless-g_c-mod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    So you didn't subscribe to the ideology being discussed in the subreddit (not a debate subreddit either) and then you were disappointed when your content was removed? Gender Critical Feminists are not allies to the far right.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Nor would I expect you to be. But I posted a video there of California schools pushing pedophilia as a sexual orientation. This was funded by lgbtq groups and I figured we could see eye to eye on that being fucked up.

    [–]homeless-g_c-mod 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Noted. But the subreddit was Gender Critical Feminism. For Gender Critical Feminists. Regardless of whether or not we agree on something doesn't negate the fact that you didn't meet the basic criteria for participation in the community.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I don't think that's a reasonable or sensible approach on an internet based forum. It just leads to "Oh, I need to log in as genderCriticalFem99 to make this post". Unless you base your online community on a physical "identity verified" one, it just leads to censorship that doesn't accomplish the objective.

    As you folks are also demonized minorities, I don't suggest that route - as you're subject to the same financial penalties, public sanctions, job losses, and cancel culture those of us on the far right are.

    [–]homeless-g_c-mod 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    You obviously didn't subscribe to the ideology. If someone was commenting in r/vegan and their post history showed "I just cooked this steak for dinner!" they would be removed.

    We are demonized minorities because we argue on behalf of women's rights. The far right is demonized because it argues against things like healthcare and housing and free education and a living wage, etc etc. The far right and radical feminists are diametrically opposed on 99% of all relevant issues. No, we are not your allies.

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    If someone was commenting in r/vegan and their post history showed "I just cooked this steak for dinner!" they would be removed.

    I agree, but if they posted a list of 10 delicious vegan recipes they would be contributing in good faith, would you ban them because they also in the past have posted recipes on /r/carnivore?

    The far right is demonized because it argues against things like healthcare and housing and free education and a living wage, etc etc.

    I think you're talking about libertarians now. We're none of those things.

    The far right and radical feminists are diametrically opposed on 99% of all relevant issues.

    You'd be surprised.

    No, we are not your allies.

    I agree. Doesn't mean you don't have to share the same apartment block now. You've been kicked out of leftist spaces. So, let's be good neighbors, and if we see things relevant to shared interests, like protecting children from transgender degenerates - it shouldn't matter where the information originated. It should only matter that it's accurate and factual.

    [–]homeless-g_c-mod 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    No. I say it again, No.

    You reject my perspective on the far right, why don't you share some of your political opinions on things like education and healthcare and a living wage and race relations and the patriarchy? Libertarians consider themselves the far right. The "true" right. If you want to argue specifics, I'll waste my time as such. Why do you identify yourself as far right and how does that coincide with or oppose feminist ideals?

    Our communities aren't a public housing block. Our communities are private spaces for discussing our ideology. If you align yourself with the far right, then by definition you are aligning yourself with an ideology which opposes radical leftwing ideologies such as radical feminism.

    We. Are Not. Your. Allies.

    [–]radfemanon 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We consider the word TERF to be a slur so I'll ask you not to use that here - GC, radfems, those are fine. We are getting our bearings right now and want to get this space set up but it's a bit frantic now to say the least!

    Obviously I can't stop you using that word but if you want to debate once we have the debate sub set up you'll get a better response if you refrain from the TERF word. We've had it thrown at us for years and most of us have no patience for it any more

    [–]Nona_Biba 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Well when you say right wing what exactly do you mean? I associate right wing with the banning of abortion and limiting LGB rights. Both beliefs are incompatible with radical feminism, and like the rules said, "non feminists are not tolerated here."