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[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Im not sure why this matters? The point is still that it’s wrong to force yourself into a group you literally are not and can not be a part of? Even if your point is that your whole movement is based on associating yourself with female people- that’s not right and causes issues for females.

You have the ability to force your way into our spaces and sports… that’s pretty huge. You have the ability to falsify legal documents…

And why are you asking me questions when you refuse to answer mine?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You said you didn’t want to take everything from trans women so I asked you what would be left. It’s pretty related.

As I’ve said before. The status quo is as it is. You are not arguing for a blank future, but directly arguing for changes that amount to stripping trans women of rights and access that they have right now. How can you justify doing that without patching the holes you are tearing?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Because female rights are important and TW are undoing them.

I don’t have to fix shit for you if you took my rights and safe spaces from me. All I have to do is fight to take them back. You are not my responsibility.

Transwomen should never have been allowed to take anything from women. The repercussions they may face when women take their rights back are none of my concern. Just as the consequences their movement have on women don’t concern tw. You don’t get to disregard women’s needs and then act like we are wrong when we disregard yours lmao

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You viewing trans women and men and rights as a zero sum contest is the issue. We didn’t take anything. We shared the rights you had. You think that’s taking.

And now you are arguing for us to lose access to basically everything directly or indirectly and acting like you are the one in the right?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You can’t share female rights with males. If you do, they aren’t female rights. It is impossible for TW to share rights with women, all they can do is nullify those rights for their benefit.

I don’t just see transwomen as men. There simply is not evidence that they aren’t men. Until there is, I don’t get why I should be expected to see them as not men.

Im arguing that women should be able to maintain their rights and spaces. If that has an effect on people who aren’t women then the issue is that they invaded spaces and undermined rights not meant for them to begin with. I don’t see what’s wrong in not thinking Im responsible for protecting people who stole from me?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don’t just see transwomen as men. There simply is not evidence that they aren’t men. Until there is, I don’t get why I should be expected to see them as not men.

That’s about enough for me

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course. Because you can’t provide the proof and that’s always going to be an issue. You want to force us to accept something as truth and adjust to that “truth” despite not being able to prove that it’s true at all.

And you think that’s reasonable.

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Males who identify as trans, in fact, DID take everything from women. You didn't share anything because neither of you cared to ask women whether we liked any of this. You all just decided to invade women's spaces while putting a lot of excuses to pretend you all had any right to be there. However, you all don't have any right to be there because you don't become a woman just by saying you are one. And not, taking exogenous hormones or undergoing several body modifications doesn't make you a woman, either.

If you all don't want to share spaces with men who don't say they are women, then you all can build your own spaces. On you own. Women don't owen males who identify as trans nothing.