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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You just deny it. Nothing is addressed. I believe you hate trans people. You say you don’t. You say I’m an entitled male acting in male entitlement, I say that’s not the case. You act like different things are happening there.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Because saying that’s not the case and explaining why and how it’s not the case are two very different things.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My beliefs are formed from a lived experience of being beaten down at every turn and seeing realities of how the world treats people like me. It’s not male entitlement. It’s the powerless recognizing they are powerless and expressing what they need. You all seem to be operating under the illusion trans people have any power when we don’t. LGBT as a block have power but trans people ourselves can do nothing. Practically straight men hate us and you are part of the voices crying for our only real historical allies to abandon us. As I’ve said before you aren’t obligated to help us but know we can’t help ourselves. That’s not entitlement, it’s the realistic assessment of someone who has seen how powerless we are.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The reason you are being accused of male entitlement is not because you are fighting for yourself.

The idea of it being male entitlement comes from how you are fighting for yourself. The entitlement comes from TW calling themselves women (and some even calling themselves female), it comes from using female spaces when you are not female. It comes from the things you do for yourself that directly impact females, our spaces, our language, and our rights.

Women shouldn’t have everything we established for ourselves undone for you- even if you are incapable of helping yourselves without disrupting our rights, spaces, and languages.

The entitlement accusation comes from your argument of “well we don’t have our own and it’s safer for me to invade yours, so that’s what I’ll do”

I get why you do it- it’s still entitlement because it’s not your space to decide to take.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That has nothing do do with male entitlement and everything to do with survival and reality in the world. People do what they have to when they are beaten down. That’s not male entitlement it’s wanting to live.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay. And it’s harmful to women so women will eventually come together to do what we need to do for ourselves. I’m fine with that. It’s not transphobia or hatred. It’s survival.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know you meant this as a joke. But it’s just what you sound like all the time.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn’t mean it as a joke at all. I sincerely mean every word.

If it’s about survival/wanting to live, women will eventually do what we need to do for ourselves to survive.