QT/Trans: What do the language changes actually accomplish?

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[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not sure if you're saying that what you find most appealing in QT are the same things that drug addicts and drunks find appealing in their addictions or if you are saying that what you find most appealing in QT are the things creatives such as actors or writers find appealing about the kind of immersion into fictional worlds they must engage in to create the works of fiction. Or, do you think both of those are bad analogies?

More frightening though is that in order to engage in that, fiction on that level, one then has a longing for authoritarianism to compel others to play along with that fiction. At least actors and writers invite audiences or present their works to willing audiences and trust that the audience will either enjoy or reject the fiction (at least, healthy creators will do that). Drunks and addicts though, they do tend to make those around them miserable, even their dysfunctional enablers and all those who play along in it, so there may be a common ground between how I'm characterizing the attractiveness of QT and the reality of addiction and the actions of the addict towards those around the addict.

Reality is independent of our perceptions. As far as I know there is no real philosophy or approach to this kind of thing that states reality is what we think it is. Instead I've seen poor translation of ideas or bad interpretations of other's ideas that skip past the idea that we only know what we perceive and thus our mind only recognizes a version of reality that we let in. The difference between our perception of reality and actual reality is important, no amount of wishing or mental gymnastics forces the latter to conform to any individual's or group of individual's version of the former. In some theological circles that approach is making one's own self a god or just 'god', which is actually very common and can manifest itself in as many different ways as there are people.

I don't think you mean what I'm interpreting you to mean, so looking back to the two analogies I present above, addict or creative: what am I not seeing?

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Actually, you saw better than you're giving yourself credit for! I was meaning the creative analogy, and you put that quite well I think. But I can see how your second analogy works, too, but I would say while drug addiction and creative expression are fostered by control, the addict is trying to escape reality more than make their perception of reality real, while the creative individual isn't trying to escape reality so much as bring their fantasies and imagination to life. If control of other people is the objective, then the addict analogy seems more appropriate... but perhaps under the pretense that attendance to the show is optional. For me, the draw isn't control in a general sense, but rather the 'creative control' that the creator has to make fantasy a reality.

I think there is a perception of reality that is being 'manufactured' by QT that makes people think their perceptions designate reality, and that ideas are facts. I like that you bring up the concept of making oneself their own god, I think that's unspoken and intuited by people, and very much why I think TRA and QT are so attractive to people: your perception of reality IS reality!

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

drug addiction and creative expression are fostered by control, the addict is trying to escape reality more than make their perception of reality real, while the creative individual isn't trying to escape reality so much as bring their fantasies and imagination to life

Well said! Brilliant.

... bring their fantasies and imagination to life. ... your perception of reality IS reality

There are actors who never want to leave the stage, because playing the fiction is so fun. But reality is not our perception of it. A mountain is still a mountain and a river is still a river. Shared delusions might numb, but this is where the addict analogy applies. Everyone around the addicts or those involved in shared delusions are burdens on everyone around them, even their enablers (which are called allies in the woke-land). Ruined lives, ruined reproduction systems, stunted emotional and intellectual growth, and so much more are the fruits from this twisted tree of false-knowledge.

I really think the worst thing that has happened is the internet. The person who finds the reality they are surrounded by ill-fitting find a seemingly vast community of liars lying and misleading them with nonsense. I really think the vast majority can not be happy in the long run regardless of what there appears to be in the short term.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are actors who never want to leave the stage, because playing the fiction is so fun.

Don't forget really scary instances of this such as in this documentary. I wonder how trans people watch this documentary and what they make of it.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All I can say to that video is: yes, that's it or that's the temptation sometimes.