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[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I had a set of comment exchanges with Circling My Own Void where CMOV consistently stated that men were monsters. I would not be surprised if the issues much of team TRA has with "gender" and with what a man or a woman is, and how they want to force the world to accept their dysfunctions around what a man or a woman is, makes their sense of what is "dehumanizing" more reasonable-- and that is a failure of epic proportions by our mental health professionals.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah. They are monsters unless we harm them when we defend ourselves from them. Then we have to help them because they’re human. It’s… typical.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

(I just want to point out that I'm a dude. You may know that already. I don't know why I feel like I should point that out, but I figure I should get out of the way.) Well, I think we're supposed to be in this mess together and getting out of it together. Monsters might be made and not born, but they can be equally made in their own misdeeds and by being an especially poorly-formed person, or in the imaginations of differently poorly-formed persons.

This part of my comment is now off topic: in war the opposing sides need to see each other as animals or monsters and not as human, but if peace is ever to be worked out they have to then see each other as fully human and worthy of mutual dignity. Men have been objectifying women longer than I can really grasp in my head, and that already is a dehumanizing act unfortunately. TRAs, perhaps not just "TW", may be doing the same-- just a guess on my part.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I agree with what you’re saying, my point is that to Masks/Void, all men are monsters unless they are trans, but masks/void thinks we should save the very worst of them right when they are causing harm.

It’s absurd to refer to an entire sex as monsters but want us to save the lives of the monsters who are committing monstrous acts, not the ones who aren’t doing anything but being monsters just because they are men.

So you’re a monster, just for being a man. But if you actually acted in a violent way and someone defended themselves against you, the person you attacked would be morally obligated to save a double monster’s life instead of fleeing to safety.

It’s just an odd sense of morality and logic imo

I do think that in this war, qt/tras goal is to dehumanize everyone who isn’t trans, I don’t think anyone is actually dehumanizing trans people. We just believe in fact and biology. I see transwomen and transmen and non binary and all the TQ+ as human. I just don’t see them as the genders/sexes they want me to.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

to Masks/Void, all men are monsters unless they are trans

Yes, but that's where their pretzel logic begins: "I'm not a monster, am I? No. I must be a women."

I think you are right about the need to dehumanize everyone else in this war, but I think this war is much bigger than TRA and gender issues. Battle lines are being drawn across half of the population everywhere, and when the hammer falls, half will cheer what will be done to the other half. I'm not looking forward to it. I have no solution either, other than try to speak reason and pray Hail Marys over and over.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I honestly don’t think half the population is pro trans (when I say pro trans I mean supports the current situation. I do think most people dgaf about trans people either way or lean uninformed GC just naturally). I think there’s a lot of proof that most people are more on "our" side. Social media forums and entertainment are dominated by qt ideology, but even if I just listen to the things trans people complain about and look at polls and stuff like that, I don’t think the general population is leaning anywhere near the other side. I actually see more and more people speaking up against tra rhetoric or even just saying that it’s going too far/is ridiculous. People supported them because we thought they were in danger and just wanted to be left alone. We thought they were suicidal and just wanting to be themselves in peace. They show us more every day that that’s not the case.

They are pushing too far and backlash is more prevalent even in the spaces they dominate. Their movement is unsustainable already and now they are offending pretty much all demographics. It may temporarily get a bit worse (especially for women’s and girls), but I think in the long run sanity, logic and fact will prevail.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Oh! I didn't mean to imply that I thought half the population was protrans (in any situtation other than just human rights of any person). I mean I see divisions being created and being deepened in ways I find frightening, and that it seems that those divisions are closer to 60/60 than say 33/66.

I wish sanity, logic and facts will prevail, but (and my car keeps drifting into the off-topic lane) I think money prevails and empires collapse. I think progress is a dangerous myth. I just do not trust any institution with any power to not be fully corrupt. I think corruption and greed among the powerful is so out of control now that it is a real detriment of our species.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh trans people make the right (or wrong I guess) people tons of money. They aren’t going anywhere, and I don’t think that’s a good or bad thing. I just think they will eventually be out of mainstream media and all the bullshit will die down. I think eventually they won’t be allowed to take sports and stuff from females. But we’ll have to share spaces with the ones who actually transition and I think they’ll still be allowed to falsify documents- but not as easily as they can now.

I think people will eventually just stop accommodating the language stuff and ignore them when they complain about dating and sex and all of that.

I can’t word it well, but i think they’ll get the "treatment" still, but eventually they won’t be able to do the stuff they’re doing to kids, and the expectations on society and about language will end. Not pronouns, but the rest of it. People are tired of it. I see more and more people literally and figuratively rolling their eyes every time there’s a new issue about trans people. People don’t care about being tRanSpHobIc. So I think they’ll get the medical and even some legal- but not the societal demands. Maybe that’s wishful thinking, but it’s also wishful thinking on their part that 1% can hold 99% hostage, even with the help of some of the 99%