QT: Is there such a thing as a man wants to be a woman? + 10 additional questions

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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

  1. Does when you are this ugly. And the fact that I looked so much like pictures of my father, a monster in that way and a different one, certainly didn’t help.

  2. Males don’t have to be monstrous. I mean in a couple generations with better socialization maybe not. But ones who looked like I did still would be physically. But sure normal looking or attractive men exist.

  3. Transition reduces dysphoria and leads to an extremely high satisfaction percentage in treatment. We live in a world where trans women Aren’t safe or accepted. Normalization takes work. Nobody likes being treated as a freak. It’s bad for mental health. Trans or not.

3b. Transition makes us not want to Jill ourselves. It’s effective treatment. And anything that treats without involuntary commitment is preferable. Involuntary commitments espescially essentially permanent ones that would have to be pup in place to stop suicide attempts without transition are wildly inhumane.

So, we understand that anorexia and dysphoria are different conditions. They are both mental conditions and only one is actually being treated in a manner that addresses and treats the actual mental illness.

Transition does address the illness. The illness is the distress not the identification. Transition relieves or at least ameliorates that distress. It’s directly treating the symptoms. And in a way that other therapeutic options including therapy have never been shown to address.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

  1. Literally- no

  2. Again, literally no.

  3. Trans people have been around forever though, right? Normalization isn’t coming because it’s not normal and it’s invasive to other people for several reasons. Trans people will always be othered and their approval rate drops annually the harder they try to normalize themselves. But keep hope alive I guess

  4. If You can’t function in your day to day and feel suicidal just because you don’t like your perfectly healthy sexed body- you should be hospitalized. That suggests a deeper than usual level of mental illness. It’s not inhumane to hospitalize people who can’t function until they can. People are hospitalized long term all the time when they need it. Alot of trans people who aren’t hospitalized clearly don’t live in the same reality as the rest of us- i think if I took the time there’s a pretty solid case for keeping them hospitalized, this just isn’t the post for that. But frankly, trans people are actually prime candidates for long term hospitalization. Not all- MANY. It’s only inhumane to you because you wouldn’t get what you want. It’s always inhumane to you when you don’t get what you want.

  5. it clearly doesn’t address the illness at all. Every trans person here proves that even if just in some small ways every time they comment. Every trans person I’ve ever been aware of confirms the obvious fact that their mental illness is not being addressed. I cannot think of one trans person who hasn’t raised alarms. It’s so obviously false that transition treats anything directly that I have to assume you’re making a joke when you claim it does. If the trans community is truly indicative of what it looks like to effectively treat dysphoria than I was right about hospitalization because there isn’t enough treatment in the world to help them.

The discomfort is literally not the illness, the identification clearly is. It’s absurd to pretend it’s not. If tou felt just discomfort and that’s it, you’d have no issue acknowledging you’re a man and would not want to be seen as a woman, would understand why you aren’t one, wouldn’t think men were monsters… I could go on but there’s no need because everyone else already knows it all. The more you try to act like you’ve been treated effectively the more apparent it becomes that you have not been.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Normalization isn’t coming because it’s not normal and it’s invasive to other people for several reasons. Trans people will always be othered and their approval rate drops annually the harder they try to normalize themselves.

Replace trans people with any other marginalized group and read it again. Then explain to me how it isn’t wildly transphobic.

4 You are literally saying many trans people need to be locked up long term. That is hateful to a level I didn’t even imagine you were capable of. I won’t be responding further.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not replace trans with any marginalized group.

It’s replace trans with any other mentally ill community/person

There is no other marginalized group that compares.

I don’t think all trans people should be hospitalized. I think anyone who can’t function because their brain tells them their body is wrong even though there’s nothing wrong with their body would benefit from hospitalization. It’s not hate. It’s concern. The issue is the suicide threat. I want to prevent them from killing them selves. I’d hospitalize ANYONE threatening suicide.

I also clearly said not all trans people need to be hospitalized but go ahead and read what you want to read and ignore the full context and wording