QT: Is there such a thing as a man wants to be a woman? + 10 additional questions

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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sorry hit save too early.

Are you not uncomfortable with your body because for some reason you think it’s wrong? Even though there’s literally nothing wrong with your body, the issue is how you see your body?

There is something wrong with it. I mean on 2 levels. It was wrong for me those things that naturally developed Were distressing to the point of impairing function. For a variety of reasons I imagine but nowhere was anything distorted. But also my “natural” features would be bad on anyone.

Like- I get the difference you’re pointing out. The question is still why do they treat a mental discomfort with a perfectly healthy body by altering the body as much as possible? The issue is clearly mental not physical.

Because that’s both what works to correct the issue. Bottom surgery cures genitalia dysphoria. Hormones reduce body dysphoria. But also it respects bodily autonomy. Compare this with you weight loss among anorexics which doesn’t actually reduce symptoms and therapy which can at least mitigate or help control them in anorexics but doesn’t stop dysphoria.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

  1. There was nothing wrong with your body before. You just didn’t like it because there is and was something wrong with your brain.

And if you’re saying you were "ugly"- so? Can you even judge that accurately since you think men are apes and monsters and subhuman and all the other fucked up things you’ve referred to men as? This is why I say your perspective is not one that any one should rely on or trust, it’s so obviously informed by your mental health.

-2. The distress is not the whole issue and there are plenty of cases of trans people being just as unhappy and suicidal post transition. They still need others to pretend for them, they still get triggered, still rely heavily on a world who won’t ever see them as they hope to be seen to be responsible for their mental health. There are so many flaws and red flags surrounding transition.

If it were effective treatment, transwomen would be able to say "Im a man, I have dysphoria and hormonally and (possibly) surgically altered my body to remove sex markers that caused me distress and attempted to reconstruct my shape to resemble the opposite sex because it made it easier for me to function daily. I am not a woman in any capacity, but I prefer to be referred to as a transwoman and with female pronouns because male language triggers my dysphoria." When you can say that, when all trans people can say that (or the TM equivalent), and respect other people’s boundaries and spaces, I’ll believe you are being treated properly. When transition only involves the patient and nobody else, I’ll believe it’s an effective treatment.

Eta- edited to fix the numbering, how do you number on this site?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

  1. Not just ugly but uniquely so. Powerfully ugly.

And I do think men are evil but they can still be attractive. Some are spared the worst of male puberty.

2 The distress is the whole issue. Without that it isn’t dysphoria. Transition reduces dysphoria by fixing the body.

re: numbering

I don’t know either.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. There is no level of ugly that renders a human a monster. Attractive people can be monsters as well.

-2. So you don’t think you’re a woman? You don’t identify as a woman? You are just a dysphoric man? Because if you say anything less than yes to any of those questions, you’ve proven that it’s not just distress over your body. The distress is related to thinking you’re a woman/thinking you identify as one

-3. I hate that I don’t know how to number things. Numbering makes it so much easier