GC: What are "sex-based" rights?

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OR, it's because people have always felt more resentful of men, a superior life form that they are, stooping down to the level of inferior women. Meanwhile, inferior women trying to take on a superior male role are seen as mildly amusing. Men who take on a feminine gender role get the same sort of ire whether they identify as gay, crossdressers, trans etc. Male trans people aren't some special case, they're treated the same way other men in their basket are treated. People don't focus on male trans people because "they're actually women", but because they're feminine men. That is how they are perceived, which is why they get treated that way.

Perhaps yes, people do see trans women as "feminine men" but that doesn't mean they are feminine men. I also feel trans men are disregarded because they are seen as less threatening than trans women.

Trans people cannot both have everyone on their side seeing them as their desired gender, AND also complain about how everyone is misgendering them and refusing to believe people can change their sex.

I will use racism as an analogy. Many people, including white people, are trying to fight systemic racism. Last year a lot of people showed up and marched in BLM protests, McDonalds made a commercial supporting BLM and marginalized people, and many want critical race theory taught in schools. There were even laws passed to hold police accountable. But this in no way means systemic racism is over. A lot of white people are racist even now and we still have long ways to go. It would be like saying disabled people are no longer marginalized because more people are accepting, we have the ADA and an autistic character on Sesame Street. People are becoming more accepting of transgender people which is a good thing, but we still have long ways to go. Trans people are often fired from their jobs for coming out and are even face harassment in public including public restrooms.

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people do see trans women as "feminine men" but that doesn't mean they are feminine men.

Oh absolutely. Them being men has nothing to do with how people perceive them, instead it's simply a biological fact. If everyone believed the Earth was flat, it still wouldn't be flat. The Earth didn't turn spherical just because enough people decided it was going to be that way, it's spherical simply because that's what it is, and how you, I or everyone in the world feels about it or whether they even know it has no bearing on that.

Despite this, however, how people perceive someone does matter insofar as what kind of socialisation they get, and it's simply not possible to live in a society and avoid gendered socialisation, hence why trans people act in line with it.

I also feel trans men are disregarded because they are seen as less threatening than trans women.

In other words, because they are seen as women, and women simply aren't a threat like men are, as proven by statistics you keep ignoring and lying through your teeth about.

The fetish book you have quoted claims that male trans people are marginalised because women are marginalised, because if people are judgemental of women, they are judgemental even more of...women who aren't actually women? As you yourself have had to admit, it's not because they're more of a woman than actual women, it's because they're simply feminine men, and recognised and treated as such.

I will use racism as an analogy.

Anti-racists aren't switching between claiming everyone is race-blind and claiming everyone is racist. Black people are marginalised because they are recognised as black, and this recognition carries with it ideas of racial inferiority/superiority that they are judged by, as well as race-specific conditions that they grow up in. A more apt analogy to the trans movement would be if we decided that racism was over if everyone just changed their race willy-nilly (i.e. if transracialism became mainstream), labelled all black people as privileged oppressors of trans-black people, and decided to focus all our efforts on combatting the true racism of people not believing any white person who says they're black.